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GoDogsGo
11-27-2007, 08:28 AM
This happened this weekend... whats your opinion... I think that all involved should get a at least a 2 year ban from hockey.... there is no room for this in minor hockey... if in fact the coaches allowed other players to leave the bench to join in, then the coaches should never coach again... what kinda of rolemodleing is this.... unreal how dumb some people are...
THE CANADIAN PRESS

GUELPH, Ont. -- The Ontario Minor Hockey Association is investigating an on-ice brawl involving teams of eight-year-olds during which one coach spat at another.

A parent's video footage capturing the incident during the Guelph Power Play Tournament game last Friday between the Duffield Devils and Niagara Falls Thunder Novice AAA teams is now in the hands of police in this southern Ontario city.

"It doesn't show which team left the bench first but it does show a physical altercation between the two coaches," Sgt. Cate Welsh, a Guelph police spokeswoman, said Monday.

Police said a small fight had broken out between players on the ice and both coaches sent in more players from the bench to join in.

Welsh said the footage catches a Duffield coach slip and fall as he leaves the bench, followed by one of the kids who also fell. The images then show physical pushing and shoving between the two coaches, she said.

Police said the video also shows the Niagara Falls coach approach the Duffield bench and spit in the face of the Duffield coach.

Welsh said the police service is seeking further information from the Duffield coach before resolving its probe.

Hockey association executive director Richard Ropchan said he has yet to review the game report.

Ropchan said there could be more suspensions in addition to the ones handed out by Friday's referee.

"The punishment will fit the crime and the OMHA has the ability to issue a lengthy suspension," he said.

Both head coaches and their respective staffs were suspended for three games following the brawl, which is in line with the minor hockey association's regulations, said Guelph Minor Hockey Association president Tom Hopgood.

"There is an ongoing police investigation so we can't comment on the incident," he wrote in an e-mail.

The two head coaches were also suspended for an additional game for exceeding the allowable number of penalty minutes, he wrote, adding that one of the coaches received an additional three-game suspension.

Six players, three from each team, were given various suspensions ranging in length from one to four games.

Lisa Campaigne, a parent of a Niagara Falls player, said she was disgusted by the episode.

Seated in the arena, she said she saw Duffield players push a Niagara Falls player.

"It was as if two players from the opposing team were playing pinball with one of our players," she said.

Moments later, Campaigne said, the Duffield team cleared the bench and came after a Niagara Falls player and that's when her kids' team jumped in to assist.

"Do you stand by as a bystander or do you help him out?" she asked.

.Campaigne said her son milled around on the ice unsure of what to do during the incident. Following the brawl, she said, she only saw the Niagara Falls coach in front of the Duffield bench gesturing to the other coach to get the Duffield kids off the ice.

.Rene Bouvier of Niagara Falls said Monday that his eight-year-old son lives for hockey.

"The poor kid is so upset. He hasn't taken a penalty all year and now this?" said Bouvier.

.Niagara Falls minor hockey team coaches were to meet Monday night to discuss the incident, said Niagara Falls Minor Hockey Association president Butch Sacko.

Whether there will be any ramifications for the coaches within the association itself will be determined once he gets the game sheet, outlining the infractions the referee has called, Sacko said.

.Bouvier said the Niagara team has its own videotape of the incident which, he told the Niagara Falls Review, will exonerate the young players.

"There are accusations being made that we emptied our bench first. We have a videotape that clearly shows that's untrue," he said.

.Frank Carbone, the Duffield Devils team president, said he's confident through speaking with organizers and police that his coaching staff was not involved with initiating the incident. He was in Guelph on Saturday to step in as coach since Duffield continued in the tournament. The Niagara Falls team voluntarily withdrew.

"If I felt my coaching staff was clearly involved, there would be disciplinary action," he said. "We don't tolerate any of this in youth hockey."

Brian Tavares, general manager of the Duffield team, said Monday he wasn't at the incident but finds when teams get to this level of hockey, the competition is heavy.

"When you get into these highly competitive games, teams start taking cheap shots."

(Guelph Mercury)

WellandDogsFan
11-27-2007, 08:41 AM
Geezzzzzz they are only 8 years old. why are 8 year olds doing fighting?? If the coaching staff either egged on the fight, sent in a player(s) into the fight, or did nothing to stop the fight, I think a lifetime ban is in order. As for the players... I dont know what disciplinary action should be taken against them.

There is no mention of the ref. Where was he? I heard about this incident yesterday on another hockey site and I understand the ref is only 16...not sure how true that is. But doesnt the ref have some responsibility to stop this behaviour as well?

GoDogsGo
11-27-2007, 08:46 AM
the refs are ussually kids... makes it tough too... some are great others are scared of their own shadows....
they are allowed to start hitting at that age... i'm sure the hits are little pushes... but still... this whole things is crazy and i feel sorry for the kids on those teams... no one should be subject to behavior like this... especially from the coaches... too many hot head know it all's in minor hockey.... people have a hard time accepting that their kid is not the next "great one"...and they need to stop living thier lives through their kids hockey careers....

WellandDogsFan
11-27-2007, 08:51 AM
the refs are ussually kids... makes it tough too... some are great others are scared of their own shadows....
they are allowed to start hitting at that age... i'm sure the hits are little pushes... but still... this whole things is crazy and i feel sorry for the kids on those teams... no one should be subject to behavior like this... especially from the coaches... too many hot head know it all's in minor hockey.... people have a hard time accepting that their kid is not the next "great one"...and they need to stop living thier lives through their kids hockey careers....
Thats the biggest problem as far as I am concerned. Most parents think their son or daughter is the second coming... and a lot of them were failed atheletes so they (as you said) are reliving their past accomplishments. Makes for a bad combination.

Whatever happened to playing or coaching for the love of the game??

WellandDogsFan
11-27-2007, 09:00 AM
This is from the Standard today:

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=794519&auth=ALISON+LANGLEY

GoDogsGo
11-27-2007, 09:00 AM
Whatever happened to playing or coaching for the love of the game??
bang on...:D

GoDogsGo
11-27-2007, 09:04 AM
This is from the Standard today:

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=794519&auth=ALISON+LANGLEY
thanks..
"Children follow by example, he said, which makes it all the more important for adults to set a good example both on and off the ice."

there you have it... hot heads at its best.... is it all worth it.... not for a second....

WellandDogsFan
11-27-2007, 09:05 AM
thanks..
"Children follow by example, he said, which makes it all the more important for adults to set a good example both on and off the ice."

there you have it... hot heads at its best.... is it all worth it.... not for a second....
If, in fact, it did start with the coaches, I think the coaching staff that made the first move should be banned for life.

GoDogsGo
11-27-2007, 09:11 AM
we'll see what happens with this one... it's happened before...
look up minor hockey fights on youtube... then look up hockey moms...WOW i say...some people have NO idea what they sound like...

RioBravo
11-28-2007, 10:35 PM
Wow, i took GDG's advice and searched hockey moms....Psychos....

GoDogsGo
11-28-2007, 10:36 PM
crazy eh....

WellandDogsFan
11-29-2007, 08:37 AM
This was in today's Standard concerning the brawl

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=796665&auth=Osprey+News+Network

GoDogsGo
11-29-2007, 08:53 AM
thanks.. good read... sounds like that game was done... players began to leave the bench area's... then things turn ugly.... bunch of clowns those coaches....
Get the kids off the ice...and head to the dressing rooms... dont even exchange words... ban them all.... set an example.... this stuff pisses me off... cause its the kids that get the shaft on this one... the adults dont care.... if they did the wouldnt act like this....

WellandDogsFan
11-29-2007, 08:58 AM
I will be interested in viewing the tape once it is released. Sounds like the coaches sent kids into the melee. The coaches should be suspended for life. This definately has left the sport with a couple of black eyes.

GoDogsGo
11-29-2007, 09:05 AM
this crap happens every year somewhere... people need to remeber that these are KIDS....they dont care.....just wanna have fun....LOL

WellandDogsFan
11-29-2007, 02:18 PM
According to TSN.ca, there will be no charges stemming from the novice brawl...

http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/news_story/?ID=223937&hubname=

GoDogsGo
11-29-2007, 02:34 PM
thanks for the update... but there will be OMH bans for sure.... and i hope they are lengthy...

leafs_fan77
11-30-2007, 09:54 AM
I saw the video and it wasn't as bad as soo many people were making it seem like. The kids were barley fighting, just pushing and shoving. The coaches and parents kind of got into it abit more but I don't see why they made it such a big deal. I think they over exagerated the situation a little bit.

WellandDogsFan
11-30-2007, 09:56 AM
I saw the video and it wasn't as bad as soo many people were making it seem like. The kids were barley fighting, just pushing and shoving. The coaches and parents kind of got into it abit more but I don't see why they made it such a big deal. I think they over exagerated the situation a little bit.
can you post a link to the video?

leafs_fan77
11-30-2007, 10:00 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2007/11/29/hockey-brawl.html?ref=rss

"WATCH NOW: Video of the brawl between the teams (http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/8752/news/features/hockey-brawl-8yrs.wmv)"

WellandDogsFan
11-30-2007, 10:09 AM
Thanks for the links.

It was a pretty major incident for 8 year olds. The coaches are blind if they think that wasnt a brawl. I didnt realize some adults went at it afterwards too....

leafs_fan77
11-30-2007, 10:10 AM
I guess considering the ages it was a brawl. But I just think they made it seem like everyone was fighting from both benches, when really there was only a handful of kids pushing and shoving.

AlphaDog
11-30-2007, 11:08 AM
THanks for the link! Didn't look NEARLY as bad as what I thought it was going to be like with all the hype around it.