OHL Trade Talk

[ItsGameTime]

I figure this would be a good idea to keep me, or anyone else, from flooding the off-topic messages with trade announcements and also a place for IceDogs fans to discuss trades around the league. This deserves to be here because trades around the league can affect us. The trade deadline will be fast approaching after the Christmas break.

[GoDogsGo]

good thinking...I like it.

[Baller]

Just a quick rumor i have heard. My dad is a season ticket holder for the London Knights. He told me today that the talk around London is that the Knights are thinking about the possibilities of trading goaltender Steve Mason?? Interesting rumor? Knights might be thinking about trading someone for younger talent since Mason probably won't be back next year. Where would he go?? could be a big difference maker.

[WellandDogsFan]

The Knights have been shopping Mason for a few weeks now. I would imagine the asking price is rather high. I wouldnt be surprised to see him go to Kitchener or Oshawa.

[myleslong]

Just a quick rumor i have heard. My dad is a season ticket holder for the London Knights. He told me today that the talk around London is that the Knights are thinking about the possibilities of trading goaltender Steve Mason?? Interesting rumor? Knights might be thinking about trading someone for younger talent since Mason probably won't be back next year. Where would he go?? could be a big difference maker.
My bet is that Mason will end up in Oshawa.The Hunters seem to think they won't go deep in the playoffs and, as you say, with Mason likely not back next year,figure to get a good package for him. Conversely, Oshawa seems to think the only thing standing between them and a league title is mediocre goaltending. Plus, if they pick up Mason, their competition won't be able to.
Personally, I think Selwood is fooling himself if he thinks Mason is the answer.They need help on the whole back end. GO DOGS!

[WellandDogsFan]

My bet is that Mason will end up in Oshawa.The Hunters seem to think they won't go deep in the playoffs and, as you say, with Mason likely not back next year,figure to get a good package for him. Conversely, Oshawa seems to think the only thing standing between them and a league title is mediocre goaltending. Plus, if they pick up Mason, their competition won't be able to.
Personally, I think Selwood is fooling himself if he thinks Mason is the answer.They need help on the whole back end. GO DOGS!
Oshawa is basically a two man team. I dont think Mason will make a big difference to what they do this season.

Mason may steal a series in the playoffs, but without depth, Oshawa isnt going anywhere.

[WellandDogsFan]

Scratch Tregunna off your wish list. He has apparently been traded to Kitchener for draft picks. Kitchener has to clear out one of their OA's to make room for him, so the trade isnt official til that happens.

[knights05]

Regarding Mason, the only team I could see him traded to is Kitchener. The Rangers are the only team with the assets Hunter would want (rights to Fowler, Kadri, Tarasuk, Mascioli, Varone, etc.). No other team has a hope of competing with that.....without compromising their existing roster. Deboer might not even want Mason after the 7-1 drubbing we were handed last week and Unice playing so well right now.

Hunter wants young players, quality 90s/91s - not draft picks which are plentiful in London. Oshawa would have to part with Del Zotto and that wouldn't make any sense. Niagara for example would have to deal Pietrangelo and that's not likely going to happen. If the Hunters aren't blown away by offers, they'll keep Mason and go as far as they can in the playoffs this year. $200k gate / home game says so.

With Tregunna in Kitchener now, Niagara should throw an offer in for Murray. I do believe the Dogs only have 2OAs - Murray is a significant upgrade on Loverock and has a tonne to prove after last years "bow" out in the playoffs (sorry, couldn't help the pun). Ideally you don't want to use an OA spot on a goalie but you might as well see how Murray plays first. There really aren't a lot of goaltending options out there other than Murray and Dahm (Sudbury) if teams are looking for an upgrade (and I believe Niagara should be). If the Dogs can grab either of them, you'll be much better off come playoff time.

[WellandDogsFan]

what would kitchener want for murray. and who was the OA that kitchener had to let go to make room for Tregunna?

[knights05]

what would kitchener want for murray. and who was the OA that kitchener had to let go to make room for Tregunna?

The Rags have 5OAs right now...I don't think the trade can be made official yet until they lose one of them off the roster. Murray and Jensen are the obvious choices to go.

[knights05]

Oh, as for what Kitchener would want for Murray, seeing as how they've emptied their draft picks cupboard (for 2008 and 2009), I'm thinking they'd want a 2nd or 3rd rounder. How is Brown at negotiating?

[WellandDogsFan]

Oh, as for what Kitchener would want for Murray, seeing as how they've emptied their draft picks cupboard (for 2008 and 2009), I'm thinking they'd want a 2nd or 3rd rounder. How is Brown at negotiating?
I would say by past experiences, that is a so-so negotiator. one good trade (Foreman) a couple of not so good ones (beljo and snow)

[myleslong]

Regarding Mason, the only team I could see him traded to is Kitchener. The Rangers are the only team with the assets Hunter would want (rights to Fowler, Kadri, Tarasuk, Mascioli, Varone, etc.). No other team has a hope of competing with that.....without compromising their existing roster. Deboer might not even want Mason after the 7-1 drubbing we were handed last week and Unice playing so well right now.

Hunter wants young players, quality 90s/91s - not draft picks which are plentiful in London. Oshawa would have to part with Del Zotto and that wouldn't make any sense. Niagara for example would have to deal Pietrangelo and that's not likely going to happen. If the Hunters aren't blown away by offers, they'll keep Mason and go as far as they can in the playoffs this year. $200k gate / home game says so.

With Tregunna in Kitchener now, Niagara should throw an offer in for Murray. I do believe the Dogs only have 2OAs - Murray is a significant upgrade on Loverock and has a tonne to prove after last years "bow" out in the playoffs (sorry, couldn't help the pun). Ideally you don't want to use an OA spot on a goalie but you might as well see how Murray plays first. There really aren't a lot of goaltending options out there other than Murray and Dahm (Sudbury) if teams are looking for an upgrade (and I believe Niagara should be). If the Dogs can grab either of them, you'll be much better off come playoff time.
You make some good points. However ,when it comes to IceDogs goaltending,Brown's feeling,I think,is that there's lots of time left,Lobsinger is his man,and that's why he hasn't moved. Going with 2 OA's thus far might be criticized,especially with injuries/suspensions to date,but from here on, having an OA spot open spells flexibility. Not likely he'll spend it on a goalie. GO DOGS!

[WellandDogsFan]

You make some good points. However ,when it comes to IceDogs goaltending,Brown's feeling,I think,is that there's lots of time left,Lobsinger is his man,and that's why he hasn't moved. Going with 2 OA's thus far might be criticized,especially with injuries/suspensions to date,but from here on, having an OA spot open spells flexibility. Not likely he'll spend it on a goalie. GO DOGS!
I think if Brown has left himself open for any critical thoughts it might be the 2 OA spots available and no imports. other than that he is doing an adequate job. I dont want him to sell tomorrow for today.

[ADOGFAN]

Lobsinger says he is starting to skate and will be ready in the new year Heidi talked to him on Sunday

[WellandDogsFan]

Getting Lobsinger back is almost like making a trade. He hasnt been with the team all year so he will in fact be an addition to the team

[AlphaDog]

Getting Lobsinger back is almost like making a trade. He hasnt been with the team all year so he will in fact be an addition to the team

Yah I'm starting to wonder about that. First he was supposed to be out like 6 weeks, and that was in September. Then late October start got pushed back to mid November, then that to early December, now that to whatever it is now (jan?). After that there's not a whole lot of months left in the season, so it could be close to a year from the last time he played an actual game. He'll probably need quite a bit of time to practice with the team before he's game-ready too.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that he'll have been off for so long, I'm iffy on what kind of goalie he'll be when he finally returns to starting a game.

Then again, I've never seen him play before and have no idea how good he is, so it's just a big unknown to me. And... if he starts and shows he's still shaky, we've got 2 dependable guys that can be put in.

[RioBravo]

As nice as it will be to have him back, I really don't believe goaltending is an issue.

[AlphaDog]

As nice as it will be to have him back, I really don't believe goaltending is an issue.

Nope, not lately. There were a few shaky games near the beginning, and some during our slump - although a lot of that was just poor defensive play.

If we can keep our offense strong and keep putting the puck in the net at the other end, I have no worries about our goaltending situation as it is. This team was built for offense, so it doesn't really matter if we let in 3 or 4 a game when we're putting in 5 or 6 at the other end (makes for much more exciting hockey too!)

But Lrock and Volpe have both been very dependable the last half dozen games.

[WellandDogsFan]

the soo picked up Simmonds from Owen Sound today

[AlphaDog]

Lobsinger says he is starting to skate and will be ready in the new year Heidi talked to him on Sunday

Hehe, "The new year" - that leaves 12 months open for him to return :rolleyes:

[ItsGameTime]

Simmonds to the Soo? Mr. Dave Brown, stop lazing around in the "Best Seats in the House" recliners and make a deal!

Although, if we can keep playing as well as we have and keep everyone in the lineup, it might not be a bad thing to stay dormant. With that being said, if we start to slide I'll be looking for answers!

[WellandDogsFan]

http://www.soogreyhounds.com/SSM_GreyHounds_Open_Page.aspx?ID=125&deptid=1

they gave up a player and 2 2nd round picks

[ItsGameTime]

It seems there is a lot of action happening right now, I don't think much is going to be left for the actual deadline.

[WellandDogsFan]

It seems there is a lot of action happening right now, I don't think much is going to be left for the actual deadline.
all that will be left are the second tier players lol

[ItsGameTime]

all that will be left are the second tier players lol
I wish I could find out if Brown was attempting to make any deals at the moment. *cough* Emmerton *cough*

[WellandDogsFan]

Emmerton will cost too much. I dont want to mortage our future.

[ItsGameTime]

Emmerton will cost too much. I dont want to mortage our future.
Yeah I know. Considering what the Soo gave up for Simmonds it'll take that plus some to get Emmerton.

I don't think Emmerton will get traded until after the World Juniors though because there is no point in trading for a guy that isn't going to be around until January

[WellandDogsFan]

Yeah I know. Considering what the Soo gave up for Simmonds it'll take that plus some to get Emmerton.

I don't think Emmerton will get traded until after the World Juniors though because there is no point in trading for a guy that isn't going to be around until January
Wasnt Simmonds on the camp list too?

[ItsGameTime]

Wasnt Simmonds on the camp list too?

Yeah but to be honest I don't see him making it. Maybe the Soo just got impatient and thought the deal was best make now rather than wait and possibly lose out.

[myleslong]

There's still quite a while until the trade deadline January 10. For example, Dogs have 10 games before then. A lot of things can happen.Teams that now think they have a chance will realize that they don't-and vice versa. What about the Majors 10 games ago?
I'm sure that Mr. Brown is doing his job,knows who is/might be available and what it might cost the Dogs. Likely waiting til the last possible minute before he decides if he's got to "go for it".
My feeling is that if an owner/GM is confident that his his team has a viable shot at the title and beyond, he owes it to first his players and second his fans to do everything possible to achieve it. Some might call it mortgaging the future, but OHL/NHL hockey has changed since the lockout. Top players are moved up earlier, and the midget draft seems to get deeper every year,so the widow of opprtunity is smaller,and the recovery period not as long. Pennants are good,and you don't get your pennant for making the playoffs. It's really neat to visit the older franchises and see the pennants(division/conference/league/Mem Cup). How sweet would that be in our barn.
Perhaps this should be in another thread, but one of the best ways to build a fan base would be a long run through the post-season. Lot more press coverage,plenty of buzz in the community,franchise labelled a"winner".
If I'm in Mr. Brown's shoes,my main target leading up to the draft would be a centre with some size. Foreman and Swift are small and slow,and while Friesen has made great strides this year and is strong on face-offs, centre is the place where this team is going to need help.
You say you want to be a GM??!!! GO DOGS!

[ItsGameTime]

There's still quite a while until the trade deadline January 10. For example, Dogs have 10 games before then. A lot of things can happen.Teams that now think they have a chance will realize that they don't-and vice versa. What about the Majors 10 games ago?
I'm sure that Mr. Brown is doing his job,knows who is/might be available and what it might cost the Dogs. Likely waiting til the last possible minute before he decides if he's got to "go for it".
My feeling is that if an owner/GM is confident that his his team has a viable shot at the title and beyond, he owes it to first his players and second his fans to do everything possible to achieve it. Some might call it mortgaging the future, but OHL/NHL hockey has changed since the lockout. Top players are moved up earlier, and the midget draft seems to get deeper every year,so the widow of opprtunity is smaller,and the recovery period not as long. Pennants are good,and you don't get your pennant for making the playoffs. It's really neat to visit the older franchises and see the pennants(division/conference/league/Mem Cup). How sweet would that be in our barn.
Perhaps this should be in another thread, but one of the best ways to build a fan base would be a long run through the post-season. Lot more press coverage,plenty of buzz in the community,franchise labelled a"winner".
If I'm in Mr. Brown's shoes,my main target leading up to the draft would be a centre with some size. Foreman and Swift are small and slow,and while Friesen has made great strides this year and is strong on face-offs, centre is the place where this team is going to need help.
You say you want to be a GM??!!! GO DOGS!

I think I what you are saying is that you would support a move for Emmerton!

[ItsGameTime]

On the NOOF I am reading that their are rumours of Emmerton going to Brampton. I would not enjoy that one bit.

[myleslong]

Emmerton is a HUGE step for a GM to take,simply for what it might take to pry him loose. So, you have to be absolutely certain in your mind that you team has a realistic shot.
In Brown's case, I think a more prudent approach would be to look around at OA's. For example,looking over the rosters, Plymouth has 4 OA'sand have to cut to 3 by the deadline. What about Fournier?...or even Joe McCann? Would you call Fournier a "poor man's Emmerton"?
That's why I would wait to make the call,until the smoke clears around my team,and I can get a clearer picture of my chances.
To answer your question, I'd definitely be in agreement if Brown paid the price for Emmerton,because it would show us and the league that he has balls,and is cofident enough in his team to go for it. If he isn't, how can the rest of us be?
What Brown does between now and the deadline will tell me a lot about him as a hockey manIf he makes a move/moves,we will all judge him,especially after the fact. If he stands pat,his spin will probably be that he felt his team was strong enough...??!! However, if I hear"I didn't want to mortgage our future", I'll know neither he nor the owner has any balls. GO DOGS!

[myleslong]

Look ahead-next year, the Dogs stand to lose Swift,Foreman,Corrente,Legein,Caputi,Schiestel. As well,Lobsinger,Day,Bergeron and Fletcher will be OA"s(who and how many do you keep?) While not likely,it's possible to lose Pietrangelo.
What I'm saying is that it's going to take a lot of new blood to rebuild the roster.The future is now! Mr. Brown, if you're sitting on the fence,c'mon down. Take a chance, get aggressive -"scared money never made money!". Assuming our team continues to come back together and is as good as we and you think,let's hope you're known as "Trader Dave" on Jan 10. You owe it to your boys. GO DOGS!

[TheQuietOne]

Wow, if that particular poster says Emmerton is gone to Brampton, sign me up as one who believes him. He has a good track record of accurate insider knowledge.

This makes our division much, much harder to win.

But I wonder, what pieces do we still need in order to put us over the top? I can't pinpoint one or two key players that could bring us up into those upper-echelon teams in the league. I think I need to see us at full strength for another 4-5 games to make that judgement.

[knights05]

Look ahead-next year, the Dogs stand to lose Swift,Foreman,Corrente,Legein,Caputi,Schiestel. As well,Lobsinger,Day,Bergeron and Fletcher will be OA"s(who and how many do you keep?) While not likely,it's possible to lose Pietrangelo.
What I'm saying is that it's going to take a lot of new blood to rebuild the roster.The future is now! Mr. Brown, if you're sitting on the fence,c'mon down. Take a chance, get aggressive -"scared money never made money!". Assuming our team continues to come back together and is as good as we and you think,let's hope you're known as "Trader Dave" on Jan 10. You owe it to your boys. GO DOGS!

You're absolutely correct. Your time is now and with 2 teams from the O going to the Cup, this is the best opportunity Niagara will have for at least 6-7 more years. Brown should try for a long playoff run and continue to build the fanbase.

If the Dogs didn't succumb to injuries, you'd probably be leading the Conference. Don't for a second assume that you're a notch below Oshawa, Brampton, or Belleville. They all have major weaknesses. Niagara has some as well but there's room to improve. The Knights have beaten Oshawa both times this year and all we have is a goaltender.

The Eastern Conference (once again) is incredibly weak relative to the WC and this will be the case for awhile so long as the best GMs in the league remain there. Winning the east will probably not be that difficult this year and odds are that will be enough to get into the Memorial Cup IF the Rags come out of the west. Last year, Sudbury was the 6 seed and won the EC on the backs of M.Staal and Dahm in net (an OA right now). Loverock and Lobsinger have little to no playoff experience. I continue to think that goaltending is where Niagara can make a significant upgrade at very little cost (i.e. a mid round pick maybe lower for Dahm). If Brown doesn't go out and grab Dahm, chances are one of your rivals will. Oshawa will likely try to acquire Mason but the cost will probably be too high for them as it would deplete other areas of their roster (i.e. Del Zotto). I've got to think that the Gens will fall back on Dahm if they can't trade for Mason.

Some pretty good trades have been made so far in the west (Tregunna, Simmonds)...seems like the EC GMs are just watching each other at the moment waiting for another to make a move. The big fish are Emmerton and Mason (he'll likely go right after Gagners confirmed to stay in the NHL)...once one or both of those trades occur, the domino effect will begin. Hopefully Brown has his line in the water.

Now or perhaps never for the Dogs.

[ItsGameTime]

From the looks of it Emmerton is going to be traded very soon to either Kitchener or Brampton. Here's an article from a paper in Kitchener that was taken from the NOOF

Rangers should find out today if they get Kingston captain
December 05, 2007
JEFF HICKS
RECORD STAFF

KITCHENER

The Cory Emmerton sweepstakes are coming to a close.

So will the Kitchener Rangers land the star centre and team captain of the Kingston Frontenacs? Stay tuned.

Talks continued last night with the Rangers and Brampton Batallion as the front-runners.

"Probably be done today or tomorrow, I would think," said Frontenacs general manager Larry Mavety when reached early last night in Kingston.

"Kitchener has talked. Oshawa has talked. Brampton has talked. Sarnia has talked. Basically, everybody."

The offers are in.

So now it's decision time.

Next Monday, Emmerton is bound for national junior team training camp in Calgary. The Detroit Red Wings pick will join a new team before then as the struggling Fronts maximize the return for their best player.

Emmerton, 19, grew up in St. Thomas and was an Elgin-Middlesex Chiefs minor hockey linemate of Rangers top gun Justin Azevedo.

Rangers coach-GM Peter DeBoer conferred with Mavety yesterday morning.

So, how'd it go, chief?

"I would say we've got a remote chance of getting anything done there," DeBoer said after practice yesterday afternoon.

"That's the best way to put it."

A well-placed source figures the Rangers have a much better than "remote" chance of landing Emmerton. The Rangers came into the week as one of the front-runners in the Emmerton derby. The best offers in Kingston's eyes belonged to Kitchener, Brampton and Oshawa.

The Soo Greyhounds and Windsor Spitfires were next in line. The Hounds may be out of the picture though. Yesterday, they acquired winger Wayne Simmonds from Owen Sound for two second-round picks and winger Chris MacKinnon.

Last night it appeared Oshawa's bid had fallen behind.

Emmerton's agent, John Thornton, said his client has not indicated a preferred destination to the Fronts.

"He never did that," Thornton said.

"Mav has been pretty fair to Cory and kept him in the loop. Mav did say he'd trade him some place where he'd have a chance to win."

Of course, the OHL-leading Rangers are Memorial Cup hosts in May. And DeBoer is one of the top junior coaches.

"I wouldn't mind Kitchener just because of Pete," Thornton said. "Kitchener is already a favourite. It'd be nice."

Mavety wouldn't discuss details of the Rangers offer. Nor would DeBoer.

However, the Fronts could use a young goalie after Anthony Peters suffered a broken leg in a traffic accident last weekend in Windsor.

Rangers rookie goalie Mavric Parks, 17, is from the Ottawa area.

The Fronts also went into the trade talks seeking a 17-year-old player who could contribute offensively this season and blossom next season. Rangers Nazem Kadri, Phil Varone and Mike Mascioli may fit that description.

Varone turned 17 yesterday.

Brampton visits the Aud tonight.

[Quizzer83]

Also from the NOOF -- just posted.

It's official, Emmerton to Brampton per Media Notes.

Kingston gets:
Thomas Middup
Justin Levac
2nd Rnd '08
Kgn's 3rd Rnd '08
2nd Rnd '09
5th Rnd '09
6th Rnd '10

[GoDogsGo]

thanks for the info.

[myleslong]

I guess the Batallion heard the Dogs nipping at their heels,and thought they'd better
bow up for Friday night!lol.
Hats off to the boys in camo! It's a steep price to pay,but their statement is loud and clear.
Your move, Mr. Brown. GO DOGS!

[knights05]

Emmerton to Brampton isn't the worst thing that could happen to Niagara. It takes them out of the Mason sweepstakes and keeps Kitchener in it - the Dogs now need Mason to stay in the West.

[DogFan]

I know a lot of you are win now, but Brampton paid way to much for Emmerton. The Battalion gave up their future for one shot with a team that still has holes in the roster. I think the IceDogs can do more for less. They need to find depth at defense and size in the middle. Perhaps a legit star goalie. You can do all that for less then what Brampton just dealt.
Bramptons top six forwards would be; Emmerton/Hodgson/Hughes/Lynes/Lomas/McNabb

Niagaras top six forwards are;
Legein/Caputi/Swift/Foreman/Sanderson/Agozzino

Still worried about Brampton? I won't even start with top four defense.
Brampton is a good team but with the Niagara roster as is they are still equal.

[Quizzer83]

What do you think we would need to give up to get Mason?

[knights05]

What do you think we would need to give up to get Mason?

A goalie is the most valuable position in the playoffs and Mason is the best one. For Niagara, it would be at least Pietrangelo; but I'm guessing Brown will not want to do that since Alex will likely be back next year. But that's the short sighted thinking that most GMs Hopefully Brown does indeed have some ***** and ceases the opportunity this year. If I was Brown I'd ask about throwing Maroon into the mix because he'll be gone next year and won't be part of the Knights future anyway...he would thrive on the small ice at the JGA - I'm sure many of you can remember the one game he played there...absolutely dominant and if London moves Mason, they'll move Maroon (if he doesn't have a NTC...nobody seems to know).

Niagara should go for it this year - Mason (and Maroon) would do much more for you this year than Pietrangelo would do for you next year considering who will be graduating from your roster. Niagara probably only needs to win the east this year...that's a big enough selling point alone.

Mason thrives on a lot of work and a lot of shots..losing Pietrangelo off your blueline would weaken that area but wouldn't in the W/L column. Mason has almost singlehandedly beaten Oshawa twice this year....London doesn't even have a defence and Niagara's offence is better than Londons. Mason is 7-0 against the East this year (wins against Oshawa (2), Barrie, Ottawa and Niagara).

This trade would help Niagara now and London next year (which should be in the interest of both Brown and Hunter). It shouldn't take longer than a few beers at the Eyes to get this deal done...maybe longer if Hunter gets sidetracked by a private booth.

[WellandDogsFan]

wow Brampton paid a lot to get Emmerton.

No way do I trade Pietrangelo in an attempt to get mason... NO WAY.

[ItsGameTime]

wow Brampton paid a lot to get Emmerton.


I havent even heard of the two guys involved in the trade... Middup and Levac?

I don't know how "much" that actually is. Quantity or quality.

[WellandDogsFan]

middup has only played one game this year he is an 90
levec has played in 21 2g 8a 10pts 13 pim he is an 89

and with all the draft picks they are certainly mortaging their future to obtain Emmerton

[myleslong]

Hey, Knights05, want a job. We have a special advisor to the owner-you could be special advisor to the GM! lol
Once again your post makes great sense, and I hope Dogs front office is reading,because you offer one very good alternative. Your#77 Maroon was certainly impressive in the game here,the kind of forward presence we need.
Despite what everyone agrees is strength in the top 6 forwards, I think the real strength of the IceDogs is the back end.Whether you match 2,4,or6 defencemen,we can ice a defence equal to any team in the league. I don't know if we could still make that statement having given up #10.
I say stick with the OA alternative-if you insist on a goalie ,Sebastien Dahm.Fournier and/or McCann from Plymouth are proven playoff performers as well,as is Kevin Baker from the Wolves.I would concede that this would not have as profound effect on the Dogs,either pro or con,so may fall into your "shortsighted" definition.
Bottom line, however it's done ,Brown must make the move(s).Opportunity is knocking...GO DOGS!

[myleslong]

wow Brampton paid a lot to get Emmerton.

No way do I trade Pietrangelo in an attempt to get mason... NO WAY.
There's two ways to look at this:
As Knights05 says, Mason is that good. How long will we have Pietrangelo? While it's likely,but not absolute, that he'll be back next year. But what about after that? Not likely.
On the other hand,while trying to build a fan base, marquis names do help.
The publicity surrounding Alex for the rest of his OHL career,for the draft,and for his likely dominating play in the future,can only serve to draw fans.
However,this is no time to get sentimental. As great a kid as Alex is,if the good of the team dictates a solution as proposed by Knights05,the so be it.
Still say you'd like to be GM??!! (JK) GO DOGS!

[WellandDogsFan]

we definately wouldnt have mason next year. I am willing to take that bet that Pietrangelo is back next year.

[ItsGameTime]

we definately wouldnt have mason next year. I am willing to take that bet that Pietrangelo is back next year.
This is true but once again, can you put a price on a championship? A championship run in the first year being in the area would do wonders for the fanbase, not to mention playoff revenues. With all that being said though you would find it hard for me to sign off on a deal sending Pietrangelo anywhere.

[myleslong]

I suppose the choice is-perpetual bridesmaid or occasionally get to the altar?As we have previously stated, hockey has changed at the OHL/NHL level since the lockout.
If we don't do everything possible to go as far as we can,we have let down the team and the fans. When do you honestly think we will get another chance this good?
I don't want the Dogs to be a team that is satisfied with making the post-season.I'd rather see a legit shot every 5-6 years than be knocked out of the playoffs without a title. GO DOGS!

[WellandDogsFan]

I didnt realize that by acquiring Mason, we would be guarneteed a championship lol

Give me Pietrangelo, not Mason.

[ItsGameTime]

I suppose the choice is-perpetual bridesmaid or occasionally get to the altar?As we have previously stated, hockey has changed at the OHL/NHL level since the lockout.
If we don't do everything possible to go as far as we can,we have let down the team and the fans. When do you honestly think we will get another chance this good?
I don't want the Dogs to be a team that is satisfied with making the post-season.I'd rather see a legit shot every 5-6 years than be knocked out of the playoffs without a title. GO DOGS!

Well I don't think its out of the question for a team to be a contender year in and year out, I do realize that this year is as good as any to take the team to the Memorial Cup so the team should do everything in its power to make that happen. Next year we are going to be building the team around guys like Friesen, Agozzino, Maione and Pietrangelo. Still not a bad mix to have.

[ItsGameTime]

I didnt realize that by acquiring Mason, we would be guarneteed a championship lol

Give me Pietrangelo, not Mason.

Im not totally sure about this... being an IceDogs fan while they were in Mississauga gives me a different outlook on things. The IceDogs have only been out of the first round 1 time in their entire existence. And the one time they were was because of goaltending when David Shantz stole the show to get them to the OHL finals. Goaltending is a huge reason for playoff success. Look at last year even we were knocked out of the first round because of a hot goaltender. As much as I love Pietrangelo, I think picking up Mason would do much more for us. We would also still have the likes of Corrente, Schiestel, Fletcher, Van Laren, Day and Maione. Not too shabby.

[WellandDogsFan]

not too shabby no, but still wouldnt do it. Pietrangelo is a cornerstone of the franchise

[Quizzer83]

The way top-5 picks have been going to the NHL quickly, I figure that it's 50-50 as to whether or not we see Pietrangelo with the Dogs next year.

If we can get Mason -- who has the ability to steal at least a series, if not two or three -- I think we should pull the trigger.

Of course -- I also think that any one of our three goalies has series-stealing potential... it's really hard to say.

[ItsGameTime]

Of course -- I also think that any one of our three goalies has series-stealing potential... it's really hard to say.

If we are going into the playoffs with Volpe as our starter, God help us all.

[knights05]

not too shabby no, but still wouldnt do it. Pietrangelo is a cornerstone of the franchise

Pietrangelo will play one more year on a team that will no longer have Legein, Swift, Corrente, Foreman, etc. Your team is better this year than it will be next.

Foreman is a playoff performer and one of the best pests you'll find...he does keep his head on his shoulders when it matters most. Acquiring Mason will put your team over the top. Owen Sound far outplayed and should have knocked out London last year in the first round of the playoffs but Mason singlehandedly beat them in a sweep (he was far more valuable to the Knights than both Kane and Gagner).

If you wouldn't pull the trigger on a Pietrangelo for Mason (and Maroon) trade when all you have to do is win the East this year, not a smart move. Next year, Oshawa returns everybody except for MacLean. There is no way you will be able to compete with them even with Pietrangelo....you'll regret not pulling the trigger.

Strike now or never. I personally know London doesn't have a chance to get past Kitchener or the Soo which is why I'm hoping Niagara (soft spot..my hometown) can grab Mason. I'd love to see Maroon on that ice again too.

[ItsGameTime]

Pietrangelo will play one more year on a team that will no longer have Legein, Swift, Corrente, Foreman, etc. Your team is better this year than it will be next.

Foreman is a playoff performer and one of the best pests you'll find...he does keep his head on his shoulders when it matters most. Acquiring Mason will put your team over the top. Owen Sound far outplayed and should have knocked out London last year in the first round of the playoffs but Mason singlehandedly beat them in a sweep (he was far more valuable to the Knights than both Kane and Gagner).

If you wouldn't pull the trigger on a Pietrangelo for Mason (and Maroon) trade when all you have to do is win the East this year, not a smart move. Next year, Oshawa returns everybody except for MacLean. There is no way you will be able to compete with them even with Pietrangelo....you'll regret not pulling the trigger.

Strike now or never. I personally know London doesn't have a chance to get past Kitchener or the Soo which is why I'm hoping Niagara (soft spot..my hometown) can grab Mason. I'd love to see Maroon on that ice again too.

The more you post the more I think picking up Mason would do wonders for this team. I believe Corrente is capable of leading the Niagara defense in Pietrangelo's stead. It would sting to lose such a good kid but like you said Mason has that invaluable ability to steal a series or multiple series'.

[TheQuietOne]

If we are going into the playoffs with Volpe as our starter, God help us all.

There have been many 'unknown' goalies who have come to fill in big for their team in the playoffs. Right now, he has one of the best GAAs in the league. And being a rookie, you're not old experienced enough to know that you're supposed to be intimidated.

Give Volpe more ice time over the 2nd half of the year splitting time with either Lobsinger/Mason/Murray, and I'd be comfortable with him if for some reason our #1 went down with injury.

[TheQuietOne]

Mason and Maroon for Pietrangelo? I'd take this in a heartbeat. If that were to happen (unlikely because it makes no sense for London, but just thinking hypothetically), we would need to add a #3-4 defensive defenceman just to make up for the loss of a body.

[ItsGameTime]

There have been many 'unknown' goalies who have come to fill in big for their team in the playoffs. Right now, he has one of the best GAAs in the league. And being a rookie, you're not old experienced enough to know that you're supposed to be intimidated.

Give Volpe more ice time over the 2nd half of the year splitting time with either Lobsinger/Mason/Murray, and I'd be comfortable with him if for some reason our #1 went down with injury.

It's not out of the realm of possibility for him to do well in the playoffs but I mean he's played a total of 2 OHL games... colour me a pessimist but I would have to see him 1: play more games 2: beat a good team to start believing.

[TheQuietOne]

It's not out of the realm of possibility for him to do well in the playoffs but I mean he's played a total of 2 OHL games... colour me a pessimist but I would have to see him 1: play more games 2: beat a good team to start believing.

Regardless of whether a trade happens or not, I hope both of these happen. He needs more games and quality opponents, otherwise his talents are just being wasted on the bench and would be better served getting everyday experience in Jr. B.

[Quizzer83]

I seem to remember some dude out of Cornell stoning the heck out of the Bruins about 35 years ago after what, 8 NHL games?

I think he's in the Hall of Fame now, I'm not sure.

[ItsGameTime]

Mason and Maroon for Pietrangelo? I'd take this in a heartbeat. If that were to happen (unlikely because it makes no sense for London, but just thinking hypothetically), we would need to add a #3-4 defensive defenceman just to make up for the loss of a body.

I think if Maroon was involved we would need to add someone else to the deal, not sure who though.

[myleslong]

What about Rogie Vachon, whom Punch Imlach dismissed as" nothing but a Jr.B goalie..." I think in no other position in sport does a player have ability to steal the show. But so many"where are they now?" goalies. One playoff wonders,if you will...
GO DOGS!

[TheQuietOne]

I think if Maroon was involved we would need to add someone else to the deal, not sure who though.

For the deal to make any sense for London, they would want a prospect. A Friesen, Aggozino, Merrett or DeSousa.

[ItsGameTime]

For the deal to make any sense for London, they would want a prospect. A Friesen, Aggozino, Merrett or DeSousa.

Give them Merrett.

[Cold Pooch]

I didnt realize that by acquiring Mason, we would be guarneteed a championship lol

Give me Pietrangelo, not Mason.

The one position that will win you a championship is in Goal....period. Mason can be that guy. As much as I like Petro he alone cannot bring the team to the finals, however a good goalie can. With Petro moved and Mason in net this teams D will improve immensely, believe it or not.

Personally this team still can beat Brampton even with their recent move, his he that good, no way....are the dogs better with a full lineup...by far.

[Cold Pooch]

not too shabby no, but still wouldnt do it. Pietrangelo is a cornerstone of the franchise

HUH?????.....no such thing in the OHL, so get over it.

Like many have said, a HOT goalie is the key in the playoffs.

[ItsGameTime]

I am fully endorsing the IceDogs making a move at Mason. That would seriously put the entire league on notice that we are serious about this.

[Cold Pooch]

Pietrangelo will play one more year on a team that will no longer have Legein, Swift, Corrente, Foreman, etc. Your team is better this year than it will be next.

Foreman is a playoff performer and one of the best pests you'll find...he does keep his head on his shoulders when it matters most. Acquiring Mason will put your team over the top. Owen Sound far outplayed and should have knocked out London last year in the first round of the playoffs but Mason singlehandedly beat them in a sweep (he was far more valuable to the Knights than both Kane and Gagner).

If you wouldn't pull the trigger on a Pietrangelo for Mason (and Maroon) trade when all you have to do is win the East this year, not a smart move. Next year, Oshawa returns everybody except for MacLean. There is no way you will be able to compete with them even with Pietrangelo....you'll regret not pulling the trigger.

Strike now or never. I personally know London doesn't have a chance to get past Kitchener or the Soo which is why I'm hoping Niagara (soft spot..my hometown) can grab Mason. I'd love to see Maroon on that ice again too.

I agree 100%

[HockeyMom]

No way Brown trades #10, you can take that to the bank!
I would trade Scheistal and Day to London for Mason alone!

[ItsGameTime]

Schiestel and Day for Mason will not cut it, not even close.

[ItsGameTime]

Emmerton has a PP goal and a SH assist in the first period already against Kitchener... uh oh spaghettios.

It looks like the Dogs need to do something sooner rather than later...

Shots were 17-9 in the first period for the Battalion, the trade looks like it has given them a new found energy.

[RioBravo]

I hope Corrente knocks off Emmertons head on Friday.

[WellandDogsFan]

I hope Corrente knocks off Emmertons head on Friday.
With a clean hit that will not warrent a suspension!

[Quizzer83]

With a clean hit that will not warrent a suspension!

Agreed -- we need Corrente on the ice, not in the stands!

[RioBravo]

Well even when we throw clean hits we get suspended so who knows...

[Cold Pooch]

No way Brown trades #10, you can take that to the bank!


Glad you brought that up, yes the team will get an amount of money depending where Petro gets drafted.

[AlphaDog]

I hope Corrente knocks off Emmertons head on Friday.

Yep, that's what we need - someone to get under his skin. Keep pestering him throughout the game with hits and verbal abuse.

[TheQuietOne]

Yep, that's what we need - someone to get under his skin. Keep pestering him throughout the game with hits and verbal abuse.

I hear Quizzer is going to the game :D

[TheQuietOne]

So, Kingston got Murray for a 5th rounder. Kingston is going nowhere this year unless they make more acquisitions, yet they just let Emmerton go.

A 5th must have been the best anyone offered. Could we not have throw in a 5th rounder to get his services? Only one prime goalie left on the market....who happens to belong to our #1 trading partner - London.

[ItsGameTime]

Only one prime goalie left on the market....who happens to belong to our #1 trading partner - London.

Don't forget the possibility of Dahm from Sudbury

[WellandDogsFan]

So, Kingston got Murray for a 5th rounder. Kingston is going nowhere this year unless they make more acquisitions, yet they just let Emmerton go.

A 5th must have been the best anyone offered. Could we not have throw in a 5th rounder to get his services? Only one prime goalie left on the market....who happens to belong to our #1 trading partner - London.
WOW, we didnt spend a 5th to get Murray? Thats amazing. I would have happily sent a 5th round pick to Kitchener to get Murray. I guess Brown is "gunshy".

[ItsGameTime]

WOW, we didnt spend a 5th to get Murray? Thats amazing. I would have happily sent a 5th round pick to Kitchener to get Murray. I guess Brown is "gunshy".
I think if it was a choice between Dahm and Murray I would take Dahm, maybe he's trying to get him? Who knows. I'm going to admit I kind of want to see something sooner rather than later.

[ItsGameTime]

According to my sources within the team our offer for Emmerton was Sanderson, Schiestel and a pick

[ItsGameTime]

Also, I would not be surprised if Niagara looks at getting Kevin Baker (OA) from Sudbury. He's a top 6 centre and is an OA so he has experience. I think he would do well here.

[Phil Margonis]

i'd like to see Baker come to Niagara. sounds reasonable as they will want to dump an older player

[WellandDogsFan]

According to my sources within the team our offer for Emmerton was Sanderson, Schiestel and a pick
If that is accurate (and I have no reason to doubt you IGT) why would they take just a 5th rounder for him when they could have gotten a pick and two players??

[Quizzer83]

WDF,

Different players; IGT was referring to what we offered for Emmerton; not Murray.

[WellandDogsFan]

WDF,

Different players; IGT was referring to what we offered for Emmerton; not Murray.
Thanks Quizzer... I reread it and see where I made the mistake. DUH!!! :eek:

[ItsGameTime]

Thanks Quizzer... I reread it and see where I made the mistake. DUH!!! :eek:

Hahahah Brown would have been fired if he traded those two and a pick for Murray!

[WellandDogsFan]

Hahahah Brown would have been fired if he traded those two and a pick for Murray!
lol yes, its been a long weekend...;)

[ItsGameTime]

In related news apparently Bill Burke has been heard as being very involved in trade talking with whomever will listen probably. I have no clue what he has been saying but it sounds like he's really getting into it hahah

[ItsGameTime]

Bulls/Spirit become dance partners

To Bulls: Jan Mursak,Nigel Williams,Parker VanBuskirk

To Spirit: Brendan Taylor,Edward Pasquale,3rd in 2008,3rd in 2010

Link: http://www.bellevillebulls.com/BullsSpiritTradeDec9.html

My opinion is that the Spirit GM got the wool pulled over his eyes on this one.

[WellandDogsFan]

I am getting tired of seeing all these other teams making moves and the Dogs just standing pat. Granted, I cant see behind the scenes, so I dont know if Mr Brown is burning the phone lines up or not. I hope that we make a move to better our team soon. Its pretty apparent that we need a big body that is going to park himself infront of the net.

[ItsGameTime]

I am getting tired of seeing all these other teams making moves and the Dogs just standing pat. Granted, I cant see behind the scenes, so I dont know if Mr Brown is burning the phone lines up or not. I hope that we make a move to better our team soon. Its pretty apparent that we need a big body that is going to park himself infront of the net.

Kevin Baker of the Sudbury Wolves is 6', 190lb OA centre. I think he would be a great addition to our first line. He has an offensive flair and has played in the playoffs before. Im telling you if we have Baker #1, Swift #2 and Foreman #3 in terms of centres we will be much better off than we are right now.

[WellandDogsFan]

He sounds like he would be a good addition, but are we, in fact, making a run at Baker? I would imagine that the Wolves are going to be selling off most of their assets soon as they arent really in the playoff race anymore.

[ItsGameTime]

He sounds like he would be a good addition, but are we, in fact, making a run at Baker? I would imagine that the Wolves are going to be selling off most of their assets soon as they arent really in the playoff race anymore.

I don't know who exactly it is we are after, but it seems that we are still looking for a top 6 forward according to talk around the team, that is not really new news though. We need to start making these rumours a reality or all these players are going to be gone.

[myleslong]

Kevin Baker of the Sudbury Wolves is 6', 190lb OA centre. I think he would be a great addition to our first line. He has an offensive flair and has played in the playoffs before. Im telling you if we have Baker #1, Swift #2 and Foreman #3 in terms of centres we will be much better off than we are right now.
I'm not saying Baker's a bad choice, but check out Fournier from the Whalers as well. Good size, gifted offensively, OA, and has obvious playoff experience. I, personally, hope this is the guy Brown is looking for to fill the open OA roster spot.GO DOGS!

[WellandDogsFan]

I'm not saying Baker's a bad choice, but check out Fournier from the Whalers as well. Good size, gifted offensively, OA, and has obvious playoff experience. I, personally, hope this is the guy Brown is looking for to fill the open OA roster spot.GO DOGS!
Is Fournier available? I thought Plymouth was in a buying position not a selling position.

[ItsGameTime]

I'm not saying Baker's a bad choice, but check out Fournier from the Whalers as well. Good size, gifted offensively, OA, and has obvious playoff experience. I, personally, hope this is the guy Brown is looking for to fill the open OA roster spot.GO DOGS!

Fournier would be a good pick up but they just recently traded an OA to get under the limit (Shepley to Brampton) so I'm assuming that they will not be looking to sell anymore of their assets like WDF just pointed out.

[myleslong]

With all their recent activity(Shepley,O'Connor,Neuvirth)all basically for choices,it appears that they had issues with their lineup,and that Fournier,and even Joe McCann were worth a try.

[ItsGameTime]

With all their recent activity(Shepley,O'Connor,Neuvirth)all basically for choices,it appears that they had issues with their lineup,and that Fournier,and even Joe McCann were worth a try.

Shepley was traded because they needed to lose an OA, Neuvirth was traded because Jeremy Smith is there number 1 because of Neuvirth's slow start (they weren't trading because they thought they were out of the playoff picture) and as for O'Connor, I don't know much about him doesn't seem like trading him was that big of a deal.

[Phil Margonis]

To SAGINAW...
Edward Pasquale
Brendan Taylor (http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/stats/player.php?lang_id=en&id=4639)
3rd Rnd '08
3rd Rnd '10

To BELLEVILLE
Jan Mursak
Parker Van Buskirk (http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/stats/player.php?lang_id=en&id=3958)
Nigel Williams

Bulls just got better this season.

[WellandDogsFan]

yeah this was from a few days ago. I think Belleville gave up a lot in Pasquale. By all accounts he is one of the better young goaltenders in the OHL.

[ItsGameTime]

yeah this was from a few days ago. I think Belleville gave up a lot in Pasquale. By all accounts he is one of the better young goaltenders in the OHL.
You gotta give a little to get a little. Their starter Murphy has been playing very very well and they get a reliable back up in return (Parker Van Buskirk whom was an IceDogs draft pick) Nigel Williams and Jan Mursak will be very key additions to their playoff run. Yes Pasquale will be a good OHL goalie but with the way their starter has played it wasn't realistic to keep him. Good move for Belleville now, will be a good move for Saginaw in the future.

[ItsGameTime]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/Sports/Hockey/2007/12/11/4718129-sun.html

Mark Hunter has indicated to contending teams he won't trade Mason unless he gets full value for him. Suitors can start at the Cory Emmerton trade to Brampton -- two young players and five draft picks -- then go up from there.

But if the Knights were honest in their assessments, they'd conclude Mason, capable of being the best young goalie in Canada, hasn't played as well since it became public Kitchener was angling for him last month. Perhaps a world junior roster spot and the passing of the deadline will help restore a frequency to his dominant stretches.

"We talked to him when the trade talk came up and told him we weren't sure what we were going to do yet," Mark Hunter said.

[AlphaDog]

WOW you guys know a lot about the OHL :) I just started watching this year, so unless they're on OUR team, I have no idea who you guys are ever talking about in this thread :P

[strohs]

Yah I'm starting to wonder about that. First he was supposed to be out like 6 weeks, and that was in September. Then late October start got pushed back to mid November, then that to early December, now that to whatever it is now (jan?). After that there's not a whole lot of months left in the season, so it could be close to a year from the last time he played an actual game. He'll probably need quite a bit of time to practice with the team before he's game-ready too.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that he'll have been off for so long, I'm iffy on what kind of goalie he'll be when he finally returns to starting a game.

Then again, I've never seen him play before and have no idea how good he is, so it's just a big unknown to me. And... if he starts and shows he's still shaky, we've got 2 dependable guys that can be put in.

I noticed that too, he was supposed to be back in november, I believe they were saying, back in september, now he's not going to be back until january? wow

I really don't think he's going to be any type of saviour....the dogs definitely need an upgrade in goal, loverock is not the answer, he is very inconsistent...and I dont want to rely on a goalie in lobsinger who hasn't played in forever....saw Murray play for the Rangers and he is a pretty decent goalie, although didn't play well in the playoffs last year...the Rangers are not going to try and get Mason, they have Unice who is playing outstanding thus far, and Parks is a decent backup

[strohs]

There's still quite a while until the trade deadline January 10. For example, Dogs have 10 games before then. A lot of things can happen.Teams that now think they have a chance will realize that they don't-and vice versa. What about the Majors 10 games ago?
I'm sure that Mr. Brown is doing his job,knows who is/might be available and what it might cost the Dogs. Likely waiting til the last possible minute before he decides if he's got to "go for it".
My feeling is that if an owner/GM is confident that his his team has a viable shot at the title and beyond, he owes it to first his players and second his fans to do everything possible to achieve it. Some might call it mortgaging the future, but OHL/NHL hockey has changed since the lockout. Top players are moved up earlier, and the midget draft seems to get deeper every year,so the widow of opprtunity is smaller,and the recovery period not as long. Pennants are good,and you don't get your pennant for making the playoffs. It's really neat to visit the older franchises and see the pennants(division/conference/league/Mem Cup). How sweet would that be in our barn.
Perhaps this should be in another thread, but one of the best ways to build a fan base would be a long run through the post-season. Lot more press coverage,plenty of buzz in the community,franchise labelled a"winner".
If I'm in Mr. Brown's shoes,my main target leading up to the draft would be a centre with some size. Foreman and Swift are small and slow,and while Friesen has made great strides this year and is strong on face-offs, centre is the place where this team is going to need help.
You say you want to be a GM??!!! GO DOGS!

I agree, IMHO, Swift and Foreman are #2 and #3 centres respectively, not #1 and #2, as is the case right now.

[strohs]

Look ahead-next year, the Dogs stand to lose Swift,Foreman,Corrente,Legein,Caputi,Schiestel. As well,Lobsinger,Day,Bergeron and Fletcher will be OA"s(who and how many do you keep?) While not likely,it's possible to lose Pietrangelo.
What I'm saying is that it's going to take a lot of new blood to rebuild the roster.The future is now! Mr. Brown, if you're sitting on the fence,c'mon down. Take a chance, get aggressive -"scared money never made money!". Assuming our team continues to come back together and is as good as we and you think,let's hope you're known as "Trader Dave" on Jan 10. You owe it to your boys. GO DOGS!

I won't mind losing Swift and Foreman, and even Corrente, I mean, he's barely played this year anyways, its almost been like he hasn't been here, most of this season, and we've done ok...of course, losing legein, caputi and schiestel will be tough....all could still return (just like Corrente, as a 19 year old, is playing in the OHL this year).....I think that Schiestel has the best opportunity to go pro....I think Legein and Caputi are not ready yet, and would be better served with one more year in junior.

There is no way Pieterangelo is going to be in the NHL next year, he's a good player, but still makes many defensive miscues, and doesn't realize when and when not to join the rush (especially on the PK!)....Sanguinetti is older than Pieterangelo, a better OHL defenseman than Pieterangelo, and he's in the OHL still, and he's 19 I believe.

Bergeron and Fletcher could be gone next year, and it wouldn't matter...Bergeron IMHO is horribly over-rated, and Fletch is a #5-#6 d-man who provides toughness, he's easily replaced, and not worth an OA spot. The jury is still out on Lobsinger.

I think we have a pretty solid core returning next year, I don't want to see him mortgage the future to contend this year, because, IMHO, I simply do not think the Dogs can get past Brampton this year, they've got the Dogs' number, they have size on them, and they've improved with that Emmerton trade they just made.

[strohs]

I know a lot of you are win now, but Brampton paid way to much for Emmerton. The Battalion gave up their future for one shot with a team that still has holes in the roster. I think the IceDogs can do more for less. They need to find depth at defense and size in the middle. Perhaps a legit star goalie. You can do all that for less then what Brampton just dealt.
Bramptons top six forwards would be; Emmerton/Hodgson/Hughes/Lynes/Lomas/McNabb

Niagaras top six forwards are;
Legein/Caputi/Swift/Foreman/Sanderson/Agozzino

Still worried about Brampton? I won't even start with top four defense.
Brampton is a good team but with the Niagara roster as is they are still equal.

No way that Brampton is equal to the Dogs....they are far superior...IMHO. Niagara cannot handle them, unfortunately. :(

[ItsGameTime]

The reason Lobsinger has been pushed back was because he had to go back into surgery to remove scar tissue. He was skating and everything but then had to go back under the knife. That is the reason for him getting pushed back

[ItsGameTime]

No way that Brampton is equal to the Dogs....they are far superior...IMHO. Niagara cannot handle them, unfortunately. :(
Take a look at the Senators/Leafs during the regular season, then look at them in the playoffs. Let's see what happens when it matters before we jump to conclusions.

[knights05]

I won't mind losing Swift and Foreman, and even Corrente, I mean, he's barely played this year anyways, its almost been like he hasn't been here, most of this season, and we've done ok...of course, losing legein, caputi and schiestel will be tough....all could still return (just like Corrente, as a 19 year old, is playing in the OHL this year).....I think that Schiestel has the best opportunity to go pro....I think Legein and Caputi are not ready yet, and would be better served with one more year in junior.

There is no way Pieterangelo is going to be in the NHL next year, he's a good player, but still makes many defensive miscues, and doesn't realize when and when not to join the rush (especially on the PK!)....Sanguinetti is older than Pieterangelo, a better OHL defenseman than Pieterangelo, and he's in the OHL still, and he's 19 I believe.

Bergeron and Fletcher could be gone next year, and it wouldn't matter...Bergeron IMHO is horribly over-rated, and Fletch is a #5-#6 d-man who provides toughness, he's easily replaced, and not worth an OA spot. The jury is still out on Lobsinger.

I think we have a pretty solid core returning next year, I don't want to see him mortgage the future to contend this year, because, IMHO, I simply do not think the Dogs can get past Brampton this year, they've got the Dogs' number, they have size on them, and they've improved with that Emmerton trade they just made.

I'm not sure why I must continue to point out how weak the EC is - there is no elite goaltender in the East - in fact, the WC has the top 5 goalies I'd want on my team in the playoffs before anyone in the East (with the exception of Dahm).

Brampton could get knocked out in the first round - you might not even have to play them. If you had Mason, you'd beat them anyway (see below). Sudbury was the 6th seed in the EC last year and went to the OHL final (largely because of their goalie Dahm).

Oshawa is going to roll over the EC next year...they return everyone but MacLean and Asselin...add another year of experience to Tavares, Del Zotto, Parnham, etc. and the fact that they'll load up even more to compete against Windsor who will be highly favoured to come out of the West and they'll be downright scary.

If guys like Gagner, Perron, Lucic, and Sheppard are sitting in the NHL right now, odds are Legein will be there next year. You'll be surprised how much better your core is this year. Which is why I think Niagara needs to go for it this year while the East is still pretty weak and by winning it, you'll likely have a spot in the Memorial Cup.

The low risk move would be to try to get Dahm as your 3rd OA....but nobody's biting on Dahm yet because Mason is still out there. Hunter is waiting to drive the price up and I believe it's been set too high for most teams to meet. Brampton and Belleville have already fired their bullets; they've got nothing left in the cupboard. Enter the Icedogs. Niagara has the best trading asset the Hunters would want (a good 90 in Pietrangelo)...if the deal was structured around Mason for Pietrangelo, with other players/picks involved, it would be a win-win for both teams. I think if the Dogs could obtain Maroon as well (not sure if he has a NTC), without any hesitation, I'd favour Niagara to win the East.

With the right moves, Niagara will be closer to the Memorial Cup this year than it will be for a long time (certainly not within Pietrangelo's OHL career if some are so married to him).

[ItsGameTime]

I'm pretty sure after the first 2 trades Dave Brown has pulled off this year we won't be seeing him trade Pietrangelo. I would rather the Dogs go after Dahm after thinking about it, and that's only if they are thinking about a goalie to begin with. My guess is that they are more concerned about a top six forward at this point.

[Phil Margonis]

no way Pietrangelo gets traded. he's only 17 and already a stud defenceman. next year should be dominant and he very well could be on the Junior team

[Quizzer83]

What if the team that drafts him into the NHL keeps him there next season? Then where are we?

[Phil Margonis]

i'd be shocked if he was in the nhl next season. how many 18 year old defencemen do you see in the NHL?

[Quizzer83]

Off the top of my head, there's been Jay Bouwmeester (since 2000) - I will look at "D men who went Top 5 in the last 20 years and ended up in the NHL the next season" for you - but I would probably put it somewhere around 25 to 33%. Which is more than just a small chance, IMHO.

[ItsGameTime]

Im going to go out on a limb and say Pietrangelo won't be in the NHL next season but who knows.

[myleslong]

i'd be shocked if he was in the nhl next season. how many 18 year old defencemen do you see in the NHL?
Watch out if the Leafs draft #10. Remember McGill,Boimistruck,and Benning? How about Gary Nylund?I'm not sure about Luke Richardson.
Leafs are desperate for another saviour! GO DOGS!

[WellandDogsFan]

While I think that Pietrangelo will make a very good NHL Dman, I dont think he is ready for the everyday rigors yet. He needs atleast one more year of seasoning here at the OHL level.

While I am sure that London would LOVE to have #10, I wouldnt include Alex in any package to bring Mason here. Yes, Mason would be an upgrade, but do we write a blank check to get that upgrade?

I know there is no such thing as "untouchables" in the OHL, but in my opinion, Petro is as close to being untouchable as there is.

[Quizzer83]

Stop the presses: TSN reporting in the Sens-Canes game that Cory Emmerton has been sent home from the World Junior camp with mono.

If this is true, it appears that Kingston just won this deal huge.

[WellandDogsFan]

Yes I just heard that while watching the sens/hurricanes. I hope Legein doesnt get it too. thats the second player sent home from camp.

[Quizzer83]

Off the top of my head, there's been Jay Bouwmeester (since 2000) - I will look at "D men who went Top 5 in the last 20 years and ended up in the NHL the next season" for you - but I would probably put it somewhere around 25 to 33%. Which is more than just a small chance, IMHO.

Okay, over the last 15 drafts (dating back to 1993), 22 defensemen were drafted top-5. 3 were from the NCAA (Erik Johnson, Jack Johnson, and Ryan Whitney). 5 were Europeans (Joni Pitkanen, Vitali Vishnevsky, Andrei Zyuzin, Aki Berg - saw the NHL, and Oleg Tverdovsky - also saw the NHL.)

Of these 14:

1993 #2 - Chris Pronger, HFD - full season in NHL
1994 #1 - Ed Jovanovski, FLA - back to junior
1995 #1 - Bryan Berard, OTT - back to junior
1995 #2 - Wade Redden, NYI - back to junior
1996 #1 - Chris Phillips, OTT - back to junior
1996 #5 - Richard Jackman, DAL - back to junior
1997 #5 - Eric Brewer, NYI - back to junior
1998 #3 - Brad Stuart, SJS - back to junior
1998 #4 - Bryan Allen, VAN - back to junior
2000 #4 - Rotislav Klesla, CBJ - 8 games in NHL
2002 #3 - Jay Bouwmeester, FLA - full season in NHL
2004 #3 - Cam Barker, CHI - back to junior
2007 #4 - Thomas Hickey, LA - back to junior
2007 #5 - Karl Alzner, WSH - back to junior

Therefore, just over 20% of top-five defensemen drafted into the NHL see NHL action the very next season -- and I reckon that we probably have a 20% chance of losing Pietrangelo to the NHL -- at best (considering that Rotislav Klesla, Jay Bouwmeester, and Aki Berg have been the only "18-year-olds" to play D in the NHL since the 1994-95 lockout).

(Between 1983 and 1992, 16 defensemen were top-5 draft picks. 1 was from the NCAA - Aaron Ward, and 2 were off the Canadian National team - Zarley Zalapski and Shawn Anderson. Of those 13, the only one that did not see NHL playing time the year after was Mike Rathje.)

[AlphaDog]

Stop the presses: TSN reporting in the Sens-Canes game that Cory Emmerton has been sent home from the World Junior camp with mono.

If this is true, it appears that Kingston just won this deal huge.

Damn, why couldn't he get it before we played Brampton :(

[Quizzer83]

http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/news_story/?ID=225049&hubname=canadian_hockey

WJHC: Emmerton sent home with mono

TSN.ca Staff
12/12/2007 9:00:17 PM
Brampton's Cory Emmerton has become the second player at the Canadian Junior selection camp to be diagnosed with mono and forced to be sent home.
Emmerton apparently contracted the illness in the last 30-40 days, but has just begun to show symptoms. On Monday, Kitchener Rangers' forward Nick Spaling also left camp with mono.
The camp roster is now at 35 players, as there will be no replacements for Emmerton or Spaling.
Emmerton was the Detroit Red Wings first selection (41st overall) in the 2006 NHL Entry Draft. He was recently traded to the Brampton Battalion from the Kingston Frontenacs and has 14 goals and 21 assists in 27 games split between Kingston and Brampton.
Four goalies, 12 defencemen and 21 forwards arrived in Calgary on Monday, having been marked as Canada's best available players born in 1988 or later.

Head coach Craig Hartsburg now has to whittle the roster down to two goalies, seven defencemen and 13 forwards by Friday, when the team gets on a plane for Europe for its pre-tournament camp.


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Check the bolded sentence out - might we be seeing Brampton claiming "damaged goods"?

[WellandDogsFan]

Check the bolded sentence out - might we be seeing Brampton claiming "damaged goods"?
No I dont think Brampton has a claim. Kingston didnt know, couldnt have know Emmerton had contrated Mono. Now if its proven that they did in fact know of this condition, then yes there would be grounds to reverse the trade. But proving that is next to impossible.

I suspect Kingston had no knowledge of his sickness.

[RioBravo]

Well if he is just showing symptoms now then how would they know?

[strohs]

I'm not sure why I must continue to point out how weak the EC is - there is no elite goaltender in the East - in fact, the WC has the top 5 goalies I'd want on my team in the playoffs before anyone in the East (with the exception of Dahm).

Brampton could get knocked out in the first round - you might not even have to play them. If you had Mason, you'd beat them anyway (see below). Sudbury was the 6th seed in the EC last year and went to the OHL final (largely because of their goalie Dahm).

Oshawa is going to roll over the EC next year...they return everyone but MacLean and Asselin...add another year of experience to Tavares, Del Zotto, Parnham, etc. and the fact that they'll load up even more to compete against Windsor who will be highly favoured to come out of the West and they'll be downright scary.

If guys like Gagner, Perron, Lucic, and Sheppard are sitting in the NHL right now, odds are Legein will be there next year. You'll be surprised how much better your core is this year. Which is why I think Niagara needs to go for it this year while the East is still pretty weak and by winning it, you'll likely have a spot in the Memorial Cup.

The low risk move would be to try to get Dahm as your 3rd OA....but nobody's biting on Dahm yet because Mason is still out there. Hunter is waiting to drive the price up and I believe it's been set too high for most teams to meet. Brampton and Belleville have already fired their bullets; they've got nothing left in the cupboard. Enter the Icedogs. Niagara has the best trading asset the Hunters would want (a good 90 in Pietrangelo)...if the deal was structured around Mason for Pietrangelo, with other players/picks involved, it would be a win-win for both teams. I think if the Dogs could obtain Maroon as well (not sure if he has a NTC), without any hesitation, I'd favour Niagara to win the East.

With the right moves, Niagara will be closer to the Memorial Cup this year than it will be for a long time (certainly not within Pietrangelo's OHL career if some are so married to him).

I really have a hard time believing, now half-way through the season, that Niagara has a legitimate shot to go very far in the playoffs. They are too inconsistent, weak on special teams, and way too undisciplined, and inconsistent goaltending.

Don't get me wrong, I love watching them play and I am a big fan...just a realist...I simply don't think that this team is a goalie away from winning it all, especially when you would have to give up one of your best defensemen to get him....that would mean, if we got rid of pieterangelo, maione would be a regular....eeeks.

[WellandDogsFan]

Is there a moratorium on trades during the Christmas break? I have heard that trades cannot be made but havent found anything official.

[ItsGameTime]

This is a rumour I've heard... for all intents and purposes it sounds like its going down but cannot be announced as official until the first of January

Barrie's Nikiforov and Perugini traded to Sarnia for Disalvo, Prout, Berard and Kennedy.

[Phil Margonis]

i heard the Dogs are in talks with Sarnia. something could be going down there. no word on any players but ive heard there have been talks between the clubs

[B-Rad]

The Barrie/Sarnia trades have gone through, from ontariohockeyleague.com

<TABLE height=453 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=521 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD width=114 height=16>Date</TD><TD width=67 height=16>Team</TD><TD width=226 height=16>Transfers</TD><TD width=27 height=16>To</TD><TD width=85 height=16>Team</TD><TD width=242 height=16>Transfers</TD></TR><TR><TD width=114 height=18>Dec. 31</TD><TD width=67 height=18>BAR</TD><TD width=226 height=18>6th Rnd '08</TD><TD width=27 height=18> </TD><TD width=85 height=18>SAR</TD><TD width=242 height=18>Ryan Berard</TD></TR><TR><TD width=114 height=18>Dec. 31</TD><TD width=67 height=18>BAR</TD><TD width=226 height=18>Vladimir Nikiforov Andrew Perugini</TD><TD width=27 height=18> </TD><TD width=85 height=18>SAR</TD><TD width=242 height=18>Dalton Prout Peter DiSalvo 2nd Rnd '08 4th Rnd '08 2nd Rnd '09 3rd Rnd '11 (cond.)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[B-Rad]

Well getting Nikiforov and Perugini out of our division is a help and hopefully keeps Barrie behind us for good (or at least this year).

[cope]

With the deadline coming up I thought I would try to find our Prospects that are listed on the Icedog website and see how they are doing on their respective teams, here are the stats. I couldn't find one of the players. I also included the links to where I got the stats from in the event anyone wants to pull them up later.

[B-Rad]

I was looking at doing the same thing; you saved me some work. It might be my computer, but I can't see any stats though

[cope]

I wondered if it uploaded the file, it said it did, but I didn't see it in the message.

One second, let me get you the info.

[cope]

Okay, the word document was to big, it was only 76KB so I didn't check that.

It is in .txt but if you open with excel it should format it better for you to read.

[B-Rad]

The Dogs site seems to list only prospects from the 2007 draft. Do they still have prospects left from 2006 and even 2005, or are those players no longer property (for lack of a better word) of the IceDogs. I have no idea how signing drafted players works in the OHL.

[cope]

I have no idea the rules, I use to follow it when the Thunder was around, but haven't since they left.

Here is the 2005 and 2006 draft results for the ice dogs, it will take some time to find the players that aren't one the team and see where they are and get there stats. Some could have been traded and playing today in the OHL for someone else.

[cope]

Here is the latest version of the draft pick the Ice Dogs made for the 2005 and 2006 season, I found all the players but 1.

[B-Rad]

Thanks for the post. Much appreciated

[ItsGameTime]

Great post

[cope]

Anyone hear any rumours of trades, or we staying status quo?

[ItsGameTime]

I am a few losses away from saying sell it all off and build around guys like Agozzino and Friesen. With that being said, talk around the front office is that Dave Brown has something up his sleeve but we aren't sure what.

[Phil Margonis]

itsGametime,
watching that kitchener game last night makes me want to build for the future too. i just don't think this team ha what it takes so might as well build for the next couple of years in Niagara

[cope]

My two cents, we are a goalie and self discipline away from having a pretty good team in the playoffs.

We Avg. 3.7 Goals per game, not to bad, the problem is we let in just as many or more.

If we can improve the goaltending and control our emotions on the ice, we could increase our goals and decrease the opponents.

[Phil Margonis]

the d zone coverage is poor and has been all year. lots of turnover as well and they haven't improved in that area either. we're already in the 2nd half of the season so i don't know when this improvement is expected to come. i'd rather sell of some vets for some youth so we have a chance to win in these next 2 years before the lease with the Gatorade Complex is done

[myleslong]

Nero fiddled while Rome burned!
Assuming that Kitchener wins the West,then all the Dogs have to do is win the East,and it's MemCup.When do you expect this"perfect storm"will happen again?
Sorry,Mr. Brown, too little, too late. Go big or go home. If you're afraid for your job, better to get fired for doing something, than for doing nothing.GO DOGS!

[B-Rad]

All the Dogs have to do is win the East....

Ha.

I hate to be a Debby Downer, but we should be serious and reflect on how the Dogs have played this year. I have about a good a chance to make the NHL as the Dogs have to make it to the Memorial Cup. A quick playoff exit is the most likely scenario with our inconsistent play, lackluster goaltending and undisciplined play.

The dogs would have to make a few major trades to put them in a position to win, and potentially giving up guys like Aggy and Friesen scare me.

[Phil Margonis]

i hope we build for the fututre. we have the 14th best win % in the league right and this is only a 20 team league. that is not a contender in my books. we better not salvage the future.
if the boys were playing well and showed signs of promise then i'd 100% be in favour of making a run for the playoffs and loading up. but this team has done nothing to make me think we can do damage in the playoffs

[myleslong]

All the Dogs have to do is win the East....

Ha.

I hate to be a Debby Downer, but we should be serious and reflect on how the Dogs have played this year. I have about a good a chance to make the NHL as the Dogs have to make it to the Memorial Cup. A quick playoff exit is the most likely scenario with our inconsistent play, lackluster goaltending and undisciplined play.

The dogs would have to make a few major trades to put them in a position to win, and potentially giving up guys like Aggy and Friesen scare me.
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough,or maybe you just missed my point which is that ,if a team in the East were thinking of going for it, this would be the year. Getting to the MemCup will not, for a long time, be as easy as it will be this year.
Having said that, it is my feeling that, with some key additions to/deletions from their lineup,the Dogs could havebeen(and can still be) contenders,and that a long run in the post season would be the most positive of ticket-sellers.GO DOGS!

[AlphaDog]

itsGametime,
watching that kitchener game last night makes me want to build for the future too. i just don't think this team ha what it takes so might as well build for the next couple of years in Niagara

I've got to agree. Losing to Sudbury, now down 2-0 against another bad team (Kingston - 1st intermission right now) I've got to think that early season winning streak was simply good luck and lots of energy in front of a new city crowd. The truth is, after that initial hot-streak at the beginning of the season, we haven't played well. True we had suspensions and injuries to key players, but those days were done a month ago.

Lets build for next year and get back to the top of the division where we once were THIS year! (remember that everyone?)

[B-Rad]

I got your point Myles and I recognize the optics of winning the east; I just don't think that the IceDogs are the team to do it. Even with a few trades, this team has a lot of questions around it. There will not be as direct a route to the memorial cup in future years as there is this year, but getting there will hardly be easy- even with a few trades.

[cope]

The D themselves aren't bad, the overall team D needs help, we can score when we keep it simple and play 5 vs 5 or 5 vs 4.

Need to solve the goalie spot, not saying Lover or Volpe can't win us games, but the playing time needs to be split better and we need to stay out of the penalty box.

I don't see anyone talking about the Snow trade, can someone post what we gave up to get him, and then what we got to get rid of him.

This looks like it was a trade that should never have happened. We are talking about trades, but lets make sure the players we get are what we need. If I'm missing something on the Snow trade that affected him not being able to play, let me know.

[WellandDogsFan]

The Snow fiasco was talked about at length here at the time. If you want to see the talk, search the forums for those posts.

I forget the specifics of the Snow trade(s), but suffice it to say, we gave up more to get him then we got in return when we traded him to Sarnia. Snow was a headcase, he didnt want to play. His last game for the Dogs was against Windsor, I turned to SDF during the first period and told her that I thought Snow was the best player on the ice for Windsor that day. Its a shame because we need someone like him (or the player he was in Brampton), a mucker, someone to go into the corner and knock some bodies around.

[B-Rad]

I'm to lazy to look back, but I think it was something like a third and sixth to acquire Snow and we only got back an eigth. Something like that. Either way, we gave up a lot more than we got back.

[RioBravo]

Snow was a just chance that just didn't turn out. It looked like if he had the right head he had the tools to be effective.

[ItsGameTime]

From Wolves site:

WOLVES TRADE WITH OSHAWA
Sudbury Wolves General Manager Mike Foligno announced today a trade with the Oshawa Generals. The Wolves have acquired right winger Dean Howard and the rights to Eric O'Dell in exchange for Kevin Baker and a 14th round pick in 2009 (conditional)

Howard, 17, was the Generals 2nd round pick in the 2006 OHL Priority Selection. The native of Sault Ste. Marie has 7 goals and 11 assists in 39 games so far this season.

O’Dell, 17, was the 10th round selection of Oshawa in 2006. The 6’, 170 lbs centre is currently with the Cumberland Grads Jr. ‘A’ of the CJHL. In 33 games with the Grads, O’Dell has 23 goals and 33 assist for 56 points, good for second on the team.

“This was an opportunity for our team to get younger and improve our skill level for the future,” says Foligno. “This also gives Kevin the chance to compete for another championship in his final season of junior hockey. We wish Kevin the best of luck with the Generals and want to thank him for is contributions both on and off the ice.”

[WellandDogsFan]

From Wolves site:

WOLVES TRADE WITH OSHAWA
Sudbury Wolves General Manager Mike Foligno announced today a trade with the Oshawa Generals. The Wolves have acquired right winger Dean Howard and the rights to Eric O'Dell in exchange for Kevin Baker and a 14th round pick in 2009 (conditional)

Howard, 17, was the Generals 2nd round pick in the 2006 OHL Priority Selection. The native of Sault Ste. Marie has 7 goals and 11 assists in 39 games so far this season.

O’Dell, 17, was the 10th round selection of Oshawa in 2006. The 6’, 170 lbs centre is currently with the Cumberland Grads Jr. ‘A’ of the CJHL. In 33 games with the Grads, O’Dell has 23 goals and 33 assist for 56 points, good for second on the team.

“This was an opportunity for our team to get younger and improve our skill level for the future,” says Foligno. “This also gives Kevin the chance to compete for another championship in his final season of junior hockey. We wish Kevin the best of luck with the Generals and want to thank him for is contributions both on and off the ice.”
so they probably would have wanted Friesen and or DeSousa for Baker and maybe Gilbert. Glad we didnt pay that brice for a rental.

[Phil Margonis]

good info on the Baker trade to Osh.
ihope we dump a vet for some talented youth. we're going to lose a lot of guys at seasons end so i hope we get something in return

[WellandDogsFan]

Phil, dont look for the Dogs to make a big move(s). I was told emphatically (by someone in the know) that the IceDogs will not be selling. Does that mean they will be buying? I dont know. From all accounts in the press, Brown is looking for a player or two but I think if any deals are going to be made they will be relatively minor.

[Phil Margonis]

interesting indeed WDF. when's the dealine? the 10th?

[WellandDogsFan]

The trade deadline 6PM on the 10th.

Rumor has it that the Dogs have delayed their departure from the Jack til after 6 on Thursday (they are headed to the Soo), just in case a deal is made. This decision was made last week.

[B-Rad]

This last weekend illustrated to me that the Dogs don't need to sell, but should be cautious of buying.

[WellandDogsFan]

Of all the teams in the league, the IceDogs have the most to lose, in my opinion. If they mortgage their future for a run this year, they risk toiling in the cellar of the OHL for the next few years. That would be a dagger in the heart for the franchise. The Burkes have to put a competitive team on the ice, if not they risk poor attendance. Poor attendance would mean no new arena. There are a lot of things to consider before they pull the trigger on a trade.

[SNIPER]

Well said WDF


That is exactly correct !!!:hurray:

[IceDogArmy]

Of all the teams in the league, the IceDogs have the most to lose, in my opinion. If they mortgage their future for a run this year, they risk toiling in the cellar of the OHL for the next few years. That would be a dagger in the heart for the franchise. The Burkes have to put a competitive team on the ice, if not they risk poor attendance. Poor attendance would mean no new arena. There are a lot of things to consider before they pull the trigger on a trade.
:iagree: could not have said it better.

[WellandDogsFan]

This is from the Windsor website:

(Windsor) Windsor Spitfires Vice-President and General Manager Warren Rychel today announced that the Spitfires have acquired goaltender Jakub Kovar and left-winger Justin Shugg as well as second round picks in the 2008 and 2010 OHL Priority Selections from the Oshawa Generals.

In exchange, the Spitfires sent goaltender Michal Neuvirth and right-winger Ryan Baldwin to the Generals.

“This is an excellent deal for today and for the future of our hockey club. In our second year of ownership, we believe we are playoff ready. To add talented players like Kovar and Shugg, who will be with us when we open the WFCU Centre is promising for the Spitfires and the City of Windsor. We have total confidence with our current roster to have playoff success this year”, commented Windsor Spitfires Vice-President and General Manager Warren Rychel.

With the addition of Shugg (Oshawa’s first round selection, 10th overall in the 2007 Priority Selection) the Spitfires have four first round selections (Shugg, Hall, Bailey, Nemisz) in their lineup for the next two seasons.

Jakub Kovar was selected by the Philadelphia Flyers in the fourth round, 109th overall at the 2006 NHL Entry Draft. The Oshawa Generals selected Kovar with their first pick, 29th overall in the 2007 CHL Import Draft.

[IceDogArmy]

This is from the Windsor website:

(Windsor) Windsor Spitfires Vice-President and General Manager Warren Rychel today announced that the Spitfires have acquired goaltender Jakub Kovar and left-winger Justin Shugg as well as second round picks in the 2008 and 2010 OHL Priority Selections from the Oshawa Generals.

In exchange, the Spitfires sent goaltender Michal Neuvirth and right-winger Ryan Baldwin to the Generals.

“This is an excellent deal for today and for the future of our hockey club. In our second year of ownership, we believe we are playoff ready. To add talented players like Kovar and Shugg, who will be with us when we open the WFCU Centre is promising for the Spitfires and the City of Windsor. We have total confidence with our current roster to have playoff success this year”, commented Windsor Spitfires Vice-President and General Manager Warren Rychel.

With the addition of Shugg (Oshawa’s first round selection, 10th overall in the 2007 Priority Selection) the Spitfires have four first round selections (Shugg, Hall, Bailey, Nemisz) in their lineup for the next two seasons.

Jakub Kovar was selected by the Philadelphia Flyers in the fourth round, 109th overall at the 2006 NHL Entry Draft. The Oshawa Generals selected Kovar with their first pick, 29th overall in the 2007 CHL Import Draft.
Well I guess the Gens have their goalie situation shored up now.

[WellandDogsFan]

Oshawa has this year and next year, then JT will be gone. I would wager they will find themselves on the bottom looking up soon enough.

Windsor is stocking up for a run next season thats for sure.

[TheQuietOne]

Oshawa just solved their goaltending problem. Neuvirth is one of the "wow" goalies in the league.

I think we're in the race for #4, and to expect either Belleville, Oshawa or Brampton to falter is probably unrealistic.

[WellandDogsFan]

Oshawa just solved their goaltending problem. Neuvirth is one of the "wow" goalies in the league.

I think we're in the race for #4, and to expect either Belleville, Oshawa or Brampton to falter is probably unrealistic.
Is Brampton that good? With Neuvirth, I dont expect Oshawa to drop in the standings, but to me, the jury is still out on Brampton.

[DogFan]

I think with Baker going from Sudbury to Oshawa as well today, the Generals are the clear team to beat in the East. I don't think the IceDogs can get any higher then fourth so that would mean facing Oshawa in the second round. I think at this point we look to sell. I can see a couple guys going to bring in some prospects.
I give Dave Brown credit, he read the market very well. I think he could see he didn't have as much to offer so he didn't give up the future. I think he was waiting to see what other did before he made his move.

[fishfan51]

Oshawa has this year and next year, then JT will be gone. I would wager they will find themselves on the bottom looking up soon enough.

Windsor is stocking up for a run next season thats for sure.

What will we be doing next year?

Chances are...

Legein...likley gone
Caputi...likley gone
Swift...gone
Foreman...gone

If they don't take a run this year, then When?

If they wait for the likes of Aggie, Freisen and Desousa to develop then Petro and some of the others will be gone.

Standing pat does NOTHING! If you don't want to mortgage the future, then trade some of the assets and build for the future.

Why hold onto players like Caputi, Legein, and Swift if there is a market for them? They are like free gaents...they basically are gone at the end of the year with the franchise getting nothing in return.

Like it or not the Dogs are basically a .500 hockey club. The window has closed to make a run this year anyway with teams like Kitchener, Oshawa, SSM, Brampton and Sarnia already making there moves for a shot at the cup. What does that leave the Dogs?

Beleive me, I would hate to see some of our top talent move on to other teams BUT...You have to look to the future since a move doesn't seem to be in the cards to improve the squad this season.

Again...standing pat accomplishes NOTHING!

[WellandDogsFan]

What will we be doing next year?

Chances are...

Legein...likley gone
Caputi...likley gone
Swift...gone
Foreman...gone

If they don't take a run this year, then When?

If they wait for the likes of Aggie, Freisen and Desousa to develop then Petro and some of the others will be gone.

Standing pat does NOTHING! If you don't want to mortgage the future, then trade some of the assets and build for the future.

Why hold onto players like Caputi, Legein, and Swift if there is a market for them? They are like free gaents...they basically are gone at the end of the year with the franchise getting nothing in return.

Like it or not the Dogs are basically a .500 hockey club. The window has closed to make a run this year anyway with teams like Kitchener, Oshawa, SSM, Brampton and Sarnia already making there moves for a shot at the cup. What does that leave the Dogs?

Beleive me, I would hate to see some of our top talent move on to other teams BUT...You have to look to the future since a move doesn't seem to be in the cards to improve the squad this season.

Again...standing pat accomplishes NOTHING!
I agree that we have to build for the future, but I wouldnt want to trade the heart and soul of this team (Swift). Of everybody on the team, Legein is the one that I would be shopping (if I was going to sell). I would imagine we could get one or two good young players and a pick or two for him. Now dont misunderstand me, I am not saying we should trade Leggy, but if the right offer came around, I would certainly listen. Not sure if there is much of a market for Foreman (I love the way he plays and am happy that he is here so no, am not shopping him either) and I am not sold on the fact that Caputi wont be back next year.

Who would you go after and what would you offer for that player or players?

[TheQuietOne]

A.J. Perry goes to Belleville, London gets 2 2nd rounders and a 4th.

If we want to get in the game, we need to start making moves soon.
If we want to get out of the game, we need to start making moves soon.

This standing pat is extremely frustrating.

[WellandDogsFan]

There is talk Maroon is available from London as well.

[fishfan51]

At this point...I don't think there are players left that will help the team this season. The other teams that got off the pot first left little in terms of impact players for this season.

I would be looking for draft picks...and a lot of them for Legein, Caputi and Swift. I would throw Corrente out there as well.

I agree with you WDF...you wouldn't get anything for Foreman. Beleive it or not, I don't think we would get as much for Swift as we would expect either since he is a OA with no chance of returning next year.

[WellandDogsFan]

At this point...I don't think there are players left that will help the team this season. The other teams that got off the pot first left little in terms of impact players for this season.

I would be looking for draft picks...and a lot of them for Legein, Caputi and Swift. I would throw Corrente out there as well.

I agree with you WDF...you wouldn't get anything for Foreman. Beleive it or not, I don't think we would get as much for Swift as we would expect either since he is a OA with no chance of returning next year.
The only players on our roster that would garner a few picks and or players are Legein and Caputi. I dont think we would get much for Corrente, I would assume he is playing either in the NHL or AHL next year. I am sure the Devils will either keep him or send him to the A next year. To me, Corrente may as well be an OA.

[tml]

Perhaps we should think about trading for a goalie. With Lobsinger's imjury and being out for a year plus Loverock's inconsistency along with Volpe's youthful potential I think a solid proven number one starter might be the way to go. I think we need a goalie that can steal a few games for us.

[WellandDogsFan]

Perhaps we should think about trading for a goalie. With Lobsinger's imjury and being out for a year plus Loverock's inconsistency along with Volpe's youthful potential I think a solid proven number one starter might be the way to go. I think we need a goalie that can steal a few games for us.
Dahm is the only guy out there that would be available, but it would be a half season rental. Not sure what Sudbury wants for him, but it seems to be a sellers market.

[DogFan]

Dahm is an OA and after the moves by Oshawa, I think the IceDogs would prefer to sell rather than buy. Legein and Caputi would both fit in SSM but what do they have left. I think one of these two or both are the only two the team will move. They could still win a round without these guys but round two they'd have to play Oshawa and even with some additions I don't know they could win a seven game series. Next year the Dogs will need to get some scoring and a couple prospects, combined with the draft picks, may fill those rolls.

[fishfan51]

Legein's injury drives his price down a bunch... but I did hear Ki