"VIRTUAL" NEW ARENA TALK - ALL POSTS HERE (Moderators: Move all new arena posts here)

[AlphaDog]

I'd love to se Kitchener as the model we use for a new arena around here. Such a nice place, great atmosphere.

I haven't been to a lot of hockey arenas, but there is a definate difference between the atmosphere of the SkyDome (even in the glory days) and a place like Comerica Park in Detroit. You can't really compare the two, that's how different they are.

That's EXACTLY what I'm talkin about. Good comparison b-rad.

A lot of these new rinks are what I call "big plain boxes". Lots of seats, big spaces, but not much else. When someone's putting in tens of millions to build a rink, why don't they put any effort into some of them into making them unique and give them some character?

With all the Jack's problems, I still think I'd take it over the Hershey Center or the Powerade Center (Brampt). I love the space those rinks have, they're very comfortable to watch a game in. But so is my couch.

[Canuck311]

That's EXACTLY what I'm talkin about. Good comparison b-rad.

A lot of these new rinks are what I call "big plain boxes". Lots of seats, big spaces, but not much else. When someone's putting in tens of millions to build a rink, why don't they put any effort into some of them into making them unique and give them some character?

With all the Jack's problems, I still think I'd take it over the Hershey Center or the Powerade Center (Brampt). I love the space those rinks have, they're very comfortable to watch a game in. But so is my couch.

The only thing good about the jack is that it is loud. I never sit at those games unless my wife comes with me... the seats are terrible.

In London .. people go to knights games just to be in the Labatt Centre.

Niagara deserves a nice place... for the people to use... to visit.. for ice dogs games.... NHl exibition games.... disney on ice...... wrestling.... UFC ..... figure skating.... concerts.. etc.... Its about F-ing time....

[AlphaDog]

Niagara deserves a nice place... for the people to use... to visit.. for ice dogs games.... NHl exibition games.... disney on ice...... wrestling.... UFC ..... figure skating.... concerts.. etc.... Its about F-ing time....

:iagree:

I'm sick and tired of everyone in the entire region having to travel OUT of the region to see events like that. Almost half a million people and not a SINGLE arena that has seating for more than a measly 3000.

No wonder a lot of people feel like the world is passing us by and that we're left out. Mid-sized venues like that (figure skating, concerts, etc) are what help put you on the map.

[GoDogsGo]

your right... we do need a new place.... bring stuff/people into our community instead of us always going to other communities all the time... the jack is great.... but a new multi purpose facility would be fantastic for this region....

[Canuck311]

:iagree:

I'm sick and tired of everyone in the entire region having to travel OUT of the region to see events like that. Almost half a million people and not a SINGLE arena that has seating for more than a measly 3000.

No wonder a lot of people feel like the world is passing us by and that we're left out. Mid-sized venues like that (figure skating, concerts, etc) are what help put you on the map.

:iagree: me too!!!

[AlphaDog]

your right... we do need a new place.... bring stuff/people into our community instead of us always going to other communities all the time... the jack is great.... but a new multi purpose facility would be fantastic for this region....

As long as we're BACK on the topic of a new rink (do we ever actually leave that topic? ) ...

PEN CENTER PARKING LOT - turn the back parking lot into a 5 or 6 story multi-level lot, put a new big rink up where the front lot is. Flat land, RIGHT off the highway with multiple roads leading in/out, and how happy do you think the Pen and all it's stores would be to have a 5000-6000 seat rink right next to them. Go for dinner first (or after) at Boston Pizza or any of the other numerous restaurance in the area, catch the late show after, wander around the mall stores first, etc, etc).

Would be nice to be travelling south on the 406 and after that sound barricade wall disappears, have it open up to the sight of a nice brightly lit big arena waiting there :)

( ^^ just me posting another one of my dreams that just came to mind )

[WellandDogsFan]

The Pen would lose way to many parking spots for the Christmas season. As it is, they need overflow parking for most of December.

[AlphaDog]

The Pen would lose way to many parking spots for the Christmas season. As it is, they need overflow parking for most of December.

Read my post again dude.... read it again ... :blush:

Specifically the part that said TURN THE BACK LOT INTO A MULTI LEVEL LOT.

2 levels would replace the spots that are currently along the back, 4 or 5 levels more would replace the front lot. Add 2 more on top of that for good measure if you want - it's just concrete :)

[WellandDogsFan]

Yes a multi level structure would work great!:thumbsup:

[GoDogsGo]

i dont think that there is enough room there.. i agree with the multi level lot...but build a new structure (arena) that size... you need alot more land than you think.

[AlphaDog]

Yes a multi level structure would work great!:thumbsup:

With a nice enclosed entrance to the mall so people in the winter don't have to trudge through the snow and slush, and maybe have it so people walk THROUGh the mall to get to the rink before the game (then just close it off after so it goes straight to the lot).

I wish we had an artist in the forums who could draw up conceptual visions of all our dream arenas :)

[AlphaDog]

I think there's room - here's 2 possible locations :

http://www.icedogfans.com/graphics/newarena001.jpg

[GoDogsGo]

good pic... but i still dont think that there is enough space...maybe in area 1...i guess it depends on the size etc....

[AlphaDog]

Yah, and either of the possible arena sites could be used as a parking garage site too.

Would be nice if we could get the outside dimensions of a current 5000-6000 seat rink and see what kind of space they take up, then compare it to the size of those lots.

[GoDogsGo]

look at the labatt center

[AlphaDog]

look at the labatt center

What about it?

It looks nice from the outside :) (I'm not a big fan of the inside of it from the photos I've seen. Looks plain compared to Kitchener).

[GoDogsGo]

how much space it takes up on a sat pic
or any other bigger arena... than compare it....

[AlphaDog]

how much space it takes up on a sat pic
or any other bigger arena... than compare it....

Hmm, impossible to compare unless you can get the -exact- size-to-scale ratio for both pictures.

And hey, if need be we could always build ^UP^ a little more than out. I like the arenas where the seatings goes up better anyway - the big spread out bowl type remind me too much of baskeball. Remember the old Buffalo Aud?? :) The air was actually lighter at the top, hehe.

Each parking spot is probably around 8' wide, so you can judge a bit that way how much room you have for at least once side... so SPOT 1 looks around 400' long by maybe 300' wide. So that's 2X the ice surface length and 3X more wide.

Lots more if you get rid of that stupid Winners building or whatever it is there :) Then you could even expand the arena building all the way down and attach it to Boston Pizza :) (have to move the hwy exit ramp a bit closer to the highway as it looks like there's about 50+ ' of unused space between the two right now - and that's sitting on LAND not on a man-made ramp, so that could be put in WHILE the current exit ramp remains open to traffic)

You move that exit ramp over and knock down Winners, and you're pretty much DOUBLING the size of Site 1 on that image.

[Rolston87]

Excellent Ideas AlphaDog.
I have similar dreams about a new arena.
I really love to think about what it would be like to have a new arena.
It's a great feeling that the dreams gives me.

[ncwalker]

See attached photos of Missisauga, Brampton, Pen Centre, and my site (all the same resolution)

Brampton seats 6 000 with three pads. Missisauga seats 6 000 with one ice pad (I think).

Brampton
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2217077027_c6bfed6724_o.jpg

Missisauga
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2266/2217870846_9352e982d8_o.jpg

Pen Centre
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2387/2217077141_051360774f_o.jpg

I think you can see that a rink just won't fit at the Pen. Besides that I am sure that you can't build a 6 story parking tower there for one reason or another.


My Site
Here's my dream site. North down the 406 from the Pen Centre you get off at 4th ave. A block down from the mall there is where they are building the new hospital. Across the street is a sweet spot for a rink!



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2257/2217870864_4fd073c230_o.jpg
Problem is of course, who's payin'? Nobody will give away land near a highway so the land won't be cheap and then you have to build the actual rink.

Who is going to stick their neck out and pay for this?

[AlphaDog]

NCWALKER:

How many Brampton rinks do you want me to put into that Pen Center area? I didn't resize any of these, this is straight cut and paste from the satellite photos:

http://www.icedogfans.com/temp/brampton01.jpg

I could even cut and paste the Brampton rink WITH it's attached side-rink and probably fit *2* nicely in there.

Actually, if you tilted that bottom rink so it's verticle, you could probably get 2 more in there, making it a total of 7 BRAMPTON RINKS in the area you said couldn't fit one.

I'll do Mississauga next...

[AlphaDog]

And I wasn't sure if you wanted BOTH buildings of the MIssissauga complex or not, so I included them anyway. So here's the Mississauga complex, *x2* with *both* its buildings.

http://www.icedogfans.com/temp/miss01.jpg

[AlphaDog]

So as you can see, that area at the bottom can easily fit an arena TWICE THE SIZE of Mississauga's arena.

So you're right, we dont' have enough room for 5000 seat rink. How about a 10,000 seater?

Anyone care to send a shot of the JLC in London or the Aud in Kitch?

ANYONE ELSE HERE STILL SMOKING SO MUCH CRACK THEY THINK ARENAS WON'T FIT? :) (sorry, but TheQuietOne said the EXACT same thing last night on the game.... so hopefully the above photos have SHUT EVERYONE UP about this) :) :)

[dogsphotog]

Guys, just to let you know, you can easily fit an arena with a 125m x 75m (400ft x 250ft) footprint in either site 1 or 2, and you could also fit an arena with a 125m x 100m (400ft x 325ft) footprint in site 2. However, I personally think the best place to put a new rink would be at the 406 & HWY 20, That way you would be 10/25 mins from everywhere in the region. Just my $0.02

[WellandDogsFan]

Guys, just to let you know, you can easily fit an arena with a 125m x 75m (400ft x 250ft) footprint in either site 1 or 2, and you could also fit an arena with a 125m x 100m (400ft x 325ft) footprint in site 2. However, I personally think the best place to put a new rink would be at the 406 & HWY 20, That way you would be 10/25 mins from everywhere in the region. Just my $0.02
:iagree:
ding ding ding ding And the winner is....dogsphotog!!! I couldnt agree with you more. I think that is the best spot out there. Run a shuttle bus from the falls and st catharenes to the arena on game nights for those that do not drive.

[cope]

Ok, I have an idea, lets not build a multi-level parking at the pen, lets build a multi-level arena, with a practise arean on the bottom and the main arean on top.

Lets see you arena designers figure that out.

[AlphaDog]

Ok, I have an idea, lets not build a multi-level parking at the pen, lets build a multi-level arena, with a practise arean on the bottom and the main arean on top.

Lets see you arena designers figure that out.

THat would be easy to build - just make an 8 story building but only put in stories 1 and 4 :) Although having everyone climb up to the main arena on top might be get some complaints :blush:

Or we could build a 4-pad arena, with all 4 pads stacked on top of each other. :P People driving by downtown could ask "what's that big 30 story building".... "oh, that's just the 7 ice rinks stacked up on top of each other" heheh

[skatee]

dogsphotog is on the ball... perfect access.. central...

[joecanadian]

i really like the idea of a new arena in the pen centre area, how about right across the street. knock down the pedale (nobody ever goes there anyways) and build there.

[AlphaDog]

Logistically, HWY.406/20 would be great for the people of Niagara (might loose a good chunk of St. Catharines people who don't want to drive the 406 in the snow), but from a commercial perspective, I can't see anyone wanting to drop down an arena out in the crop fields of booney land. Most arenas like to be built close by a commercial area so that those businesses can benefit from it.

Of course, land would be cheap out there compared to in the city, but I just can't see them wanting to put a rink out in the middle of nowhere with nothing around it but forest and crops. If the arena was free to be built and they only cared about the fans, sure they'd do it. But they can't just turn their back on the business community and put a rink 10 miles away from the closest commercial area. Now if you put it right smack in the MIDDLE of a commercial area, I think they'd get a lot more support for it being built.

[WellandDogsFan]

Logistically, HWY.406/20 would be great for the people of Niagara (might loose a good chunk of St. Catharines people who don't want to drive the 406 in the snow), but from a commercial perspective, I can't see anyone wanting to drop down an arena out in the crop fields of booney land. Most arenas like to be built close by a commercial area so that those businesses can benefit from it.

Of course, land would be cheap out there compared to in the city, but I just can't see them wanting to put a rink out in the middle of nowhere with nothing around it but forest and crops. If the arena was free to be built and they only cared about the fans, sure they'd do it. But they can't just turn their back on the business community and put a rink 10 miles away from the closest commercial area. Now if you put it right smack in the MIDDLE of a commercial area, I think they'd get a lot more support for it being built.
We drive the 406 to get to every game. Sun, moon, rain, snow, it doesnt matter. The 406 is a well maintained 400 series highway. Not taking a 10 minute drive because of snow is laughable. (no offense AD)

[AlphaDog]

We drive the 406 to get to every game. Sun, moon, rain, snow, it doesnt matter. The 406 is a well maintained 400 series highway. Not taking a 10 minute drive because of snow is laughable. (no offense AD)

I'm not saying *I* wouldn't do it - you're totally misunderstanding what I'm saying - but some people wouldn't. Not to mention all the people who walk to the games or take the bus or get dropped off, etc... All I'm saying is that you might gain more people from Welland and the Falls, but you would also loose some from St. Kitts.

Look at all the rinks in the OHL/AHL/NHL/etc - how many are stuck in the middle of a rural farmerland area with no commerce around it?

THERE'S A REASON for that, doncha think?

I'm sure every city that's built an arena could have found much cheaper land outside of the city somewhere, but they don't. Why is that?

[skatee]

Logistically, HWY.406/20 would be great for the people of Niagara (might loose a good chunk of St. Catharines people who don't want to drive the 406 in the snow), but from a commercial perspective, I can't see anyone wanting to drop down an arena out in the crop fields of booney land. Most arenas like to be built close by a commercial area so that those businesses can benefit from it.

Of course, land would be cheap out there compared to in the city, but I just can't see them wanting to put a rink out in the middle of nowhere with nothing around it but forest and crops. If the arena was free to be built and they only cared about the fans, sure they'd do it. But they can't just turn their back on the business community and put a rink 10 miles away from the closest commercial area. Now if you put it right smack in the MIDDLE of a commercial area, I think they'd get a lot more support for it being built.

ottawa is in the middle of nowhere and i believe commercial dev. has crept up to where they are (restaurants etc. ) yet still its a drive... i know its the bigs, but still...

[cope]

the 406 / 20 is logical, but not practical.

the Pen Center is practical but no logical

the area on 4th by where the new hospital will be is kinda the best of both, from HWY access, commerical, space.

again, new arena talks are great, but lets not forget that the team needs to stay first.

[WellandDogsFan]

I'm not saying *I* wouldn't do it - you're totally misunderstanding what I'm saying - but some people wouldn't. Not to mention all the people who walk to the games or take the bus or get dropped off, etc... All I'm saying is that you might gain more people from Welland and the Falls, but you would also loose some from St. Kitts.

Look at all the rinks in the OHL/AHL/NHL/etc - how many are stuck in the middle of a rural farmerland area with no commerce around it?

THERE'S A REASON for that, doncha think?

I'm sure every city that's built an arena could have found much cheaper land outside of the city somewhere, but they don't. Why is that?
Oh no AD, I understood what you were saying and I wasnt saying you wouldnt go to the game. I just think that people that wouldnt go to the game due to a short drive on the 406 when its snowing arent really fans of the Dogs or of the game. I could be wrong, been wrong a lot lol

Yes, a downtown St Kitts arena would be great, but I dont see that happening with the political climate in St Kitts.

[AlphaDog]

the 406 / 20 is logical, but not practical.

the Pen Center is practical but no logical

the area on 4th by where the new hospital will be is kinda the best of both, from HWY access, commerical, space.

again, new arena talks are great, but lets not forget that the team needs to stay first.

Yah - this thread should in no way be taken as though it's actual planning. More of a 'dreaming out loud' type thread. :p

[AlphaDog]

Oh no AD, I understood what you were saying and I wasnt saying you wouldnt go to the game. I just think that people that wouldnt go to the game due to a short drive on the 406 when its snowing arent really fans of the Dogs or of the game. I could be wrong, been wrong a lot lol

hehe, just gotta always keep in mind that a lot of fans at the average game might have been borderline "go to a game or go to dinner/movie/hangout at friends/etc.." They're not all diehards. I'm not sure what % of the crowd the 'average joe that might have something else to do that night' makes up, but those are the people we'd be losing if we stuck the rink out there.

Yes, a downtown St Kitts arena would be great, but I dont see that happening with the political climate in St Kitts.

No no no, not downtown! THe Pen! :) Downtown St. Kitts would be great if you just levelled about 3 blocks with bulldozers. And Lord knows some of the downtown area would benefit from a good bulldozing. But the roads just can't support the traffic down there.

Pen Center dude! 4 big parking lots - turn one into a multi level, use one of the others for the building!

(of course, this is just another one of my dreams)

Other areas I've stated in the past are...

- the old Domtar paper site on the corner of Harzell and Glendale
- various areas in Louth (although I dn't like using up that space which was supposed to be designated as "Green Only" space - but it's not like anyone bothered using it for crop land anyway
- down across from GM Plant 2 on Glendale there's some good open space (but that's also booney land)
- near White Oaks around that big new Leon's building or whatever it is, but of course someone posted that that land was owned already by someone. And again, booneyland.

[dogsphotog]

Not that it really makes a difference, because this is only "virtual planning" but you have to think about logistics as well. If we are going to build a brand new rink, on the basis of existing problems with the Jack, they would obviously make sure those issues would not arise with the new one. parking is obviously an issue, as is access. I couldn't imagine trying to get to and park at the pen for a game in mid December. that place is already a nightmare with shoppers, now ad 4000 hockey fans... same goes with the louth area, same problems with shopping, bad lights & intersection's. it takes me 15 mins to get from 4th & martindale to ontario & welland sometimes. i am a big fan of the old adage, if you build it they will come, hence the 406/hwy20 idea, however the leons/whiteoakes location would be a good one, problem being (as with hartzel/oakdale) the land is pre-owned. the key thing to keep in mind here would definitely be access, in and out of the rink asap, and close to the highway. (side note, that was a long sentence) . I love playing "virtual developer", and to be honest, i would put it at brock, on the southwest corner of st. davids and glenridge, where they have there parking and ball fields. could share the arena with the brock teams, and have students made easily accessible for part time employment. access to the highway is not far, as well as access south and north along glenridge. timmys & micky d's are close along with the four points in case teams need lodging. again, just my $0.02

[Rolston87]

^ dogsphotog FTW!

Although AD has excellent dreams.

[VERBATIM]

Guys, just to let you know, you can easily fit an arena with a 125m x 75m (400ft x 250ft) footprint in either site 1 or 2, and you could also fit an arena with a 125m x 100m (400ft x 325ft) footprint in site 2. However, I personally think the best place to put a new rink would be at the 406 & HWY 20, That way you would be 10/25 mins from everywhere in the region. Just my $0.02


Your .02 is well spent if an arena goes it will be 406 Hwy#20 area.

Reason's are $$$$$ & $$$$$ & $$$$$

Land is cheap location is central and major hwy nearby.

406 will be getting expansion to port hwy #20 will be getting expansion and bypass fonthill area.
Niagara south is on a major growth spurt as it is the only places left to expand.

The next option is to raise the roof on the Jack or Memorial arena as this is the lowest cost of all.

Just a side question what does everyone think a 5000 seat arena will cost.
remember if it's out in the boonies you need parking for about 2500 cars.
If it's in the city you can get away with 1500 nearby parking spots.
I have been working on this way before the dogs ever thought about moving here.
Just want to see what page everyone is on.

[MabiDawg]

i dont think that there is enough room there.. i agree with the multi level lot...but build a new structure (arena) that size... you need alot more land than you think.

I agree... heard word that the consideration is a parcel of land out by White Oaks that is in all honesty, still quite centrally located. Ya i know it would mean a bit more of a drive for those of us from St Catharines, but lets look at the rest of the region that attends...Welland is a bit of a hike so I am sure we can all make the drive knowing the Dogs are worth it. Besides...the old farts in this community barely let the Sportplex get built and at that they would only approve it as a practise facility and nothing more...

Damned old farts...oh crap... I forgot...I'm one of 'em (not the one that voted that way though...I'm one of the cool old farts...can I say fart???)
:blush:

[Rolston87]

I just read in the paper last week that the city wants a new arena.
It's kind of going back and forth between that and the new hospital.
Both are very crucial to the areas needs.
What are your opinions?

[ncwalker]

So as you can see, that area at the bottom can easily fit an arena TWICE THE SIZE of Mississauga's arena.

So you're right, we dont' have enough room for 5000 seat rink. How about a 10,000 seater?

Anyone care to send a shot of the JLC in London or the Aud in Kitch?

ANYONE ELSE HERE STILL SMOKING SO MUCH CRACK THEY THINK ARENAS WON'T FIT? :) (sorry, but TheQuietOne said the EXACT same thing last night on the game.... so hopefully the above photos have SHUT EVERYONE UP about this) :) :)

ADog, geez quit mixing words and tell us what you really think!:)

My response is this:

A: We are looking to fit the entire complex (parking, surrounding space, roads leading in and out, and both rinks (you missed part of the Brampton building)) not just the building only. We already have a rink with no parking. We don't need another. The Pen Parking lot is typically full now, much less if you bulldoze a huge section of it. No way will this work

B. While we're still dreamin (and smoking crack) we need to be dreaming this thing where the people are. HWY 20 might be the geographical centre of the area but that is not where the people are. Getting 6 000 to show up at a game willl means finding 3 000 more fans so we need to keep it close to where the people are

Keep dreaming and let's keep the sell outs coming !

[AlphaDog]

If we are going to build a brand new rink, on the basis of existing problems with the Jack, they would obviously make sure those issues would not arise with the new one. parking is obviously an issue, as is access. I couldn't imagine trying to get to and park at the pen for a game in mid December. that place is already a nightmare with shoppers, now ad 4000 hockey fans...

You need to read the part about the *mutli-level-parking-lot* :D

I love playing "virtual developer", and to be honest, i would put it at brock, on the southwest corner of st. davids and glenridge, where they have there parking and ball fields. could share the arena with the brock teams, and have students made easily accessible for part time employment. access to the highway is not far, as well as access south and north along glenridge. timmys & micky d's are close along with the four points in case teams need lodging. again, just my $0.02

Sounds good! But is there enough business out there to put money into the construction of a big rink? I'm thinking, this thing if it ever happens, is going to have to come from the private sector. As soon as any government assistance gets involved, it'll cost twice as much and take twice as long to build.

Aesthetically I think it would look best at the Pen (or downtown of course, but a rink downtown is just NOT an option), being in the center, with all the lights of other things going on around it.

Realistically, if it is funded privately and those fund-providers are ok with sticking it out in a more rural area, I'll go with that :)

I just thought it would be good to put right smack dab in a commercial area as you could get financial support for such a thing from the immediate surrounding area. IT would cause the surrounding area's value to go up meaning land and building owners could charge more for leasing, business would bring in more money with 5000 people going to their immediate area twice a week, and all that cash could find it's way back to the rink, making the rink owners happy. You put it out in a rural area, and you limit your income pretty much to ticket sales.

Then again, I know nothing about the behind-the-scenes financial workings of a rink anyway :blush:

[VERBATIM]

Putting the rink in an area where nothing is gives you the opportunity to control what goes on your site like stores eating and shopping.
Maybe a regional sports complex major arena 3 smaller ones,
Baseball diamonds 4 to 6 of them. and who knows maybe even a pool, a Velodrome, indoor track, and other stuff.
All you need is $500,000 and you are a partner.

[Rolston87]

I feel more people would come to the games if there was a new arena for the Dogs.
I've talked to some people who fight not going to the Jack because of the mess of an arena it is and the bench seats also don't help much. It would be a waste to put new seats in a 71 year old arena. Hmm let's see, Kingston Memorial Centre was built in 1950 and they're getting a new arena. The team's been there for a long time so I can see why they'd build a new arena. I'm curious about the attendance there.
It doesn't hurt to dream and hope and wish. Just my 2 cents thats all.

[MabiDawg]

I hate to be the realist here...but the virtual arena will never fly...do you know the average age of this community??? Do you know the average age of the average voter in this community??? The voters are teh ones who hire the elected officails...the elected officials want to stay there, so they vote in accordance to the wants of their constituants... in short...aint gonna happen in town...the old farts want a hospital...

[Rolston87]

Putting the rink in an area where nothing is gives you the opportunity to control what goes on your site like stores eating and shopping.
Maybe a regional sports complex major arena 3 smaller ones,
Baseball diamonds 4 to 6 of them. and who knows maybe even a pool, a Velodrome, indoor track, and other stuff.
All you need is $500,000 and you are a partner.

$500,000 for being a partner for the arena committee. It's a nice thought but how many people are members? I would join if I had a good job.

[AlphaDog]

Originally Posted by GoDogsGo http://forum.icedogfans.com/images/buttons2/viewpost.gif (http://forum.icedogfans.com/showthread.php?p=15347#post15347)
i dont think that there is enough room there.. i agree with the multi level lot...but build a new structure (arena) that size... you need alot more land than you think.

I agree...

SOMEONE SAVE ME FROM BEATING MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL!!! Am I going crazy????

Did I not post multiple images of the the exact scale Brampton and Mississauga rinks in the Pen center area just a few msgs back !!???

I did that and people STILL think it won't fit !!?? aaaaahhhhh I don't know what else to do. :blink: I've given visual proof of MULTIPLE brampton and missy arenas in that space, and people say it doesn't fit still! aarrrrr!!!!! Ok I'm losin it.

heard word that the consideration is a parcel of land out by White Oaks that is in all honesty, still quite centrally located. Ya i know it would mean a bit more of a drive for those of us from St Catharines, but lets look at the rest of the region that attends..

Actually White Oaks isn't far for anyone in St. Kitts. That's a pretty good location actually (if it werea available). You can take Glendale to get there, you can take Queenston Rd. to get there, for people in the north end you can go through NOTL backroads, or Canal Rd, etc.... plus the QEW. It's definitely still booneyland but it's close to the Niagara College campus (not sure if they have residents though so I dunno if there'd be a big student population going to games).

[VERBATIM]

$500,000 for being a partner for the arena committee. It's a nice thought but how many people are members? I would join if I had a good job.

Not a commitee, an owner in the complex there is already 13 people willing to put up that much.
Don't want any gov money or involvment no grants or anything to do with people who vote.
500 K buys you a share and a seat on the board.
It will be functional to the point and do what it supposed to do facilitate the playing of Hockey and making money.

[AlphaDog]

Not a commitee, an owner in the complex there is already 13 people willing to put up that much.
Don't want any gov money or involvment no grants or anything to do with people who vote.


That's EXCELLENT to hear. That way the rink owners can't get bullied around by local government and told how to run things. I'm a firm believer that less governent is *always* better (no matter what you're dealing with!) And government construction of *anything* is always FAR overpriced and construction is always twice as long.

What locations are you telling people the rink might be at when they ask?

[Rolston87]

Ahh I hear ya ********. That's pretty neat though.

[MabiDawg]

Originally Posted by GoDogsGo http://forum.icedogfans.com/images/buttons2/viewpost.gif (http://forum.icedogfans.com/showthread.php?p=15347#post15347)
i dont think that there is enough room there.. i agree with the multi level lot...but build a new structure (arena) that size... you need alot more land than you think.



SOMEONE SAVE ME FROM BEATING MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL!!! Am I going crazy????

Did I not post multiple images of the the exact scale Brampton and Mississauga rinks in the Pen center area just a few msgs back !!???

I did that and people STILL think it won't fit !!?? aaaaahhhhh I don't know what else to do. :blink: I've given visual proof of MULTIPLE brampton and missy arenas in that space, and people say it doesn't fit still! aarrrrr!!!!! Ok I'm losin it.



Actually White Oaks isn't far for anyone in St. Kitts. That's a pretty good location actually (if it werea available). You can take Glendale to get there, you can take Queenston Rd. to get there, for people in the north end you can go through NOTL backroads, or Canal Rd, etc.... plus the QEW. It's definitely still booneyland but it's close to the Niagara College campus (not sure if they have residents though so I dunno if there'd be a big student population going to games).


The traffic congestion would be crazy, there is already and abundance of vehicles in that location and you put a draw like an arena of that size there you'd have traffic stopped oon the highways...it a logistical nightmare...put your pictures are very pretty...KIDDING:cheers2:

[VERBATIM]

406 and Hyw 20 has always been the #1 spot.
Like I said it will be the center of growth in the region for sometime to come.
Unless the cities start with some smart growth options.
By the way it will be a green arena to an extent as much as it can be made green.
My choice being from the falls is to use Memorial arena as it was the cheapest option to expand and being in the center of the tourist area gave us the option of renting the building out for 150 extra days for 1 event.
Still an option depends on what the city of Niagara falls makes any backroom deals or not.
I grew up watching hockey at memorial arena I lived 500 ft away and never missed a game.

[VERBATIM]

I told Bill Burke I always wanted to own my own hockey team.
Just he beat me to it ( Has More Money ) But Im working on that all the time.

[AlphaDog]

The traffic congestion would be crazy, there is already and abundance of vehicles in that location and you put a draw like an arena of that size there you'd have traffic stopped oon the highways...it a logistical nightmare...put your pictures are very pretty...KIDDING:cheers2:

WEll, lets see. You have... the 2 exits on to Glendale, plus an exit out the back which leads to Glenridge (which is the way I'd go). Glendale has immediate hwy entraces going both north to St. Kittsand south to Welland, as well as Glendale going towards south St. Kitts/Thorold, and the other way towards the Brock area.

Hey - if you've ever been to a game at Brampton and see their traffic congestion of everyone trying to get out onto that one single 2 lane road... if THEY can do it with that little bottleneck, we can do it with big wide Glendale + the back exit :thumbsup:

[AlphaDog]

406 and Hyw 20 has always been the #1 spot.
Like I said it will be the center of growth in the region for sometime to come.

But that land's all zoned agricultural, and a lot of it is protected land by the "Green Space only" zoning which prohibits zoning changes. I haven't seen anything built out that way... well, since they drive in! :)

Hey as long as they don't knock my drive-in down, I don't care if it goes out there.

Unless the cities start with some smart growth options.
By the way it will be a green arena to an extent as much as it can be made green.

yep - I think there'd be a LOT of local opposition from people if they wanted to start laying down pavement over that farmland.

My choice being from the falls is to use Memorial arena as it was the cheapest option to expand and being in the center of the tourist area gave us the option of renting the building out for 150 extra days for 1 event.

If there's good parking and no congested traffic, sounds good too!

[VERBATIM]

I said green building not some big asphalt parking lot and just 1 big concrete pad for the rink is all we need.

Hey thats a hell of an idea buy the drive in, they charge to much anyways.

[MabiDawg]

WEll, lets see. You have... the 2 exits on to Glendale, plus an exit out the back which leads to Glenridge (which is the way I'd go). Glendale has immediate hwy entraces going both north to St. Kittsand south to Welland, as well as Glendale going towards south St. Kitts/Thorold, and the other way towards the Brock area.

Hey - if you've ever been to a game at Brampton and see their traffic congestion of everyone trying to get out onto that one single 2 lane road... if THEY can do it with that little bottleneck, we can do it with big wide Glendale + the back exit :thumbsup:

If you can find the voteres that will go for it...then you got one up on me friend!

[RioBravo]

I said green building not some big asphalt parking lot and just 1 big concrete pad for the rink is all we need.

Hey thats a hell of an idea buy the drive in, they charge to much anyways.

8 Bucks for 2 movies is charging too much?

[AlphaDog]

8 Bucks for 2 movies is charging too much?

3 MOVIES ON HOLIDAYS! :D I love the drive-in, it's the only time I go to the show pretty much.

[RioBravo]

3 MOVIES ON HOLIDAYS! :D I love the drive-in, it's the only time I go to the show pretty much.


Actually some days they do 4...Im a huge fan of the drive in as well and will be completely bummed whenever they shut it down.

[dogsphotog]

AlphaDog ..... You need to read the part about the *multi-level-parking-lot* :D


I did, I was referring to actually physically leaving the arena & area, not the parking itself. You have 1 major way out, and that is Glendale & the 406. That intersection is a logistical nightmare during the Christmas rush. That would force fans on to the side and back streets to exit and I guarantee that the residents who live around the pen would have something to say about the influx of traffic on their streets.

[AlphaDog]

I did, I was referring to actually physically leaving the arena & area, not the parking itself.

OOoohh oh. ok, sorry. I misunderstood :(

You have 1 major way out, and that is Glendale & the 406. That intersection is a logistical nightmare during the Christmas rush. That would force fans on to the side and back streets to exit and I guarantee that the residents who live around the pen would have something to say about the influx of traffic on their streets.

They'd all be too happy that they're within walking distance of great hockey games to complain :D As for the xmas rush - that's only about 2 weeks of the year. And as for the traffic jams - have you been to the Brampton rink?? That's got a HORRIBLE bottleneck. All traffic is basically pushed out onto a single 2-lane road (1 lane each way) with a traffic light right as you get onto it.

I figure, if you could get 40% of the traffic going towards the highway and Hartzell Road, 40% going the other way towards Glenridge, and maybe 20% going out the back way past the high schools (whatever road that is) it wouldn't be too bad. At least not near as bad as some of the other modern rinks. Although, I am in no way an expert on the other rinks, WDF could comment more on anyone else having traffic jams. I've only been to Brampton's rink (VERY bad) and Peterborough's rink (also very bad - stuck *right* at an intersection).

[three dog night]

i also think 406 and hiway 20 is a good location for the arena centre to all the cities and lots of land for parking maybe they will have shuttle buses going to the game for people who do not own a car.

[Rolston87]

I dug up some info on the field surrounding Leons.
http://www.firstgulf.com/pdfs/firstgulf_innovations_fall2007.pdf
Go down to where it says The Commons.
So much for a possible arena location.
Take it for what you will.

[ItsGameTime]

I think a good number of people would be upset if the IceDogs were re-located to the Falls(St Kitts people).
I wouldn't get to go to as many games as I do.
Please Bill and Denise if your reading this prevent this from happening.
Put a new arena between St Catharines and The Falls and Alot of people will be happy.
Theres a reason that they are located in St. Catharines. Niagara Falls from what I've heard did not want a team so why would the Burkes try and put one there? there are plenty of places around here that would be great. and if this turns into new arena talk i might have to move it again lol

[GoDogsGo]

lots movement going on...lol...good pics Verb... but I too heard that the falls arena was a no go as NF did not want a team....

[VERBATIM]

Not that it might remember the burkes have a 5 year deal and he is commited to owning a team.
If some one comes up with a 5000 seat arena be it one that gets some modification's to meet standards then just might wind up in the falls.
If no one comes up with a new arena then that's what is going to happen.
Like it or not he run's a business and at the end of the day if your not making money, then you have to rethink your option's.
Why do you think i have so many pictures of the Arena, it's because people want to see before they invest and want a plan of action also.
But who know's there could be exhibition games held there or maybe a regular season one who know's.
Just thought I would post some photo's for people who can't get there.
By the way 1 or 2 people in charge did not want a team, and they did not speak for the majority.
We are building a 36 million dollar 4 pad 2000 seat junior B complex.

So maybe 3 or 4 million to upgrade to a 5000 ohl grade multiuse facility.
From another post on the arena I said I had commitment of 150 days of rental plus percentage of sales.
All comes down to return on investment for the Burkes and for the new arena

[ItsGameTime]

Alright you forced me to move it to the new arena talk!

[AlphaDog]

Alright you forced me to move it to the new arena talk!

New arena talk thread is for NEW arenas - not expanding current ones :)

[AlphaDog]

I would sign, but I don't want to sound like I'm unhappy with what we have. I'd LOVE a new arena, but I don't want to sound demanding in any way :( I think maybe we should keep our new arena posts oriented towards "positive dreaming" for the time being :)

[Rolston87]

Good point AD!

[AlphaDog]

I think it's a good idea - just not right yet. A petition might be viewed as a "we demand a new rink" statement. As fans, we're just so lucky to have this team here right now, that I think a petition might be pushing things a bit :)

[ADOGFAN]

I think where the old race track would be good Or even better in Mississauga at the Hershy Center Yeh Mississauga ICE DOGs

[MadMann]

If you want to build an arena you have to start from below grade. you cant just stick an arena in the middle of a lot. And you deffinately cant construct a multi level parking lot without tearing out whats there now. Its best to start with an undeveloped piece of land. Somewhere near white oaks would be a great option.

[strohs]

AD, sorry to rain on your parade, however, I think the satellite imagery that you've obtained re: the Pen Centre site, is horribly out of date, or at least, it appears as such to me.

I don't think that that picture includes all of the new development right along the highway ramp. (ie. Pier One, Bowrings, Home Sense, Bombay Company, etc.)...they've constructed a large strip mall there, with several large stores, in what used to be empty parking lot.

Also, it appears to me that the old sears garage is still in that picture, that it does not even include Boston Pizza.

I would hazard a guess that the Pen would probably build more strip mall type locations in the rest of their parking lot, further in the back, if/when demand for additional space warrants....

I gotta say, AD, if your dream did come true, and an arena was built there, the traffic chaos to get there would be absolutely ridiculous...it is bad enough getting there...I dread going to the Pen Centre any time of year, never mind at christmas!

Back to the drawing board guys!!!

[MadMann]

Yeah not to mention to build on that land you would have to teard down anyof the stores near what you are building. or atleast undermine and reinforce their foundations. I just cant see any way that that location would be a feasible option. Especially with so many undeveloped areas in this region.

[bry4n]

what is wrong with downtown? i've never had any problem with traffic or parking. I'd like to see the team move to Niagara's new rink (whenever it finally gets built) while a new rink is built on the current site. 2nd option i like is by brock. I hope to god they don't build it in the middle of nowhere

[MadMann]

I love going to games at the jack. Isnt planning a new facility a condition of renewing the lease for the team though?

[AlphaDog]

I love going to games at the jack. Isnt planning a new facility a condition of renewing the lease for the team though?

??? Where'd yah hear that?

You mean they have to be planning to build a new rink if they want to renew their least at the Jack ? If true, that's very strange!

[MadMann]

I havent seen any hard proof of that. thats why I posted it as a question. Ive only head that condition by word of mouth. And thats really not strange at all. The city has 5 years to finalise a new facility plan. At the end of the five years if there are no plans the dogs are gone. If we are going to build them a new facility they sign a short term lease at the Jack. An arena cant be built overnight. If its a complex I could see it taking over a year easily. And im sure if burke signs a 3 year lease and the arena will be ready after one, then the old jack lease will most likely be bought out. And were also talking about city council. They are going to need the 5 years to plan a facility. Im sure it will take them over a year just to decide where to locate it.Honestly though I dont think we have to worry about it because Im pretty sure my 6th sentance is going to prove true

[Chooch]

Just by reading the comments in the papers from team ownership, there are no new arena conditions, period. The Jack is their home. Also from what I've read the hoping is that attendance over the five years will be good enough to start lobbying for a new rink, but as of right now like I said, no conditions anywhere that I know of.

[MadMann]

Nice. I like going to the jack . I would rather have a sold out 3000 seater than an empty looking 5000.

[ncwalker]

:iagree:
I used to go to Brampton to watch OHL action and sitting in a 6 000 arena with 2100 fans felt like death. The Jack has had great atmosphere lately. I love going to games with that kind of excitement

[AlphaDog]

:iagree:
I used to go to Brampton to watch OHL action and sitting in a 6 000 arena with 2100 fans felt like death. The Jack has had great atmosphere lately. I love going to games with that kind of excitement

Definitely. It's so much more fun when the Jack is full. although I have to admit i HATE the crowd conjestion. But the game atmosphere is so much more exciting when it's full.

[Chooch]

I like the Jack as well but we do need a new rink eventually for the team to stick around for the long term. Personally I also like the smaller rinks but would love to see a new modern comfortable arena with all the bells and whistles but with no more then 4500 seats. The Jack sells out game after game right now, and it's a rink that many wont go too, so a nicer one should easily get a 4000 average. Maybe more.

[dogsphotog]

If, and I say if, they build a new arena I think the design should be somewhat comparable to a sized down Copp's Coliseum. You have 2 bowls, upper and lower. Lower holds 4000, upper holds another 2000-3000. the upper bowl also has blackout curtains that hide it during games where fan support is under 4000. You can also configure the blackout curtains to open on the sides of the arena so if you got 5000 the could go there instead of turning tickets away. Again, just my $0.02

[AlphaDog]

If, and I say if, they build a new arena I think the design should be somewhat comparable to a sized down Copp's Coliseum. You have 2 bowls, upper and lower. Lower holds 4000, upper holds another 2000-3000. the upper bowl also has blackout curtains that hide it during games where fan support is under 4000. You can also configure the blackout curtains to open on the sides of the arena so if you got 5000 the could go there instead of turning tickets away. Again, just my $0.02

OMG!!! That's is WAAAY to strange. I *JUST* thought of that *EXACT* idea last night while watching TV! Have it so the capacity is there to house big crowds when needed, but have an upperbowl that you could curtain off, so as to make it look like the building is half empty. And the use of black in any room makes it look smaller, so you could close off the upper bowl completely and stil maintain a small intimate feeling with the crowd down below.

Hehe, it's really weird you posted that because I was going to post the same msg. late last night but figured I've already posted dozens of wish-list ideas for a new arena.

[brendan_435]

I just read in the paper last week that the city wants a new arena.
It's kind of going back and forth between that and the new hospital.
Both are very crucial to the areas needs.
What are your opinions?
meh. we have a hospital. if it's something serious, you get transferred to hamilton or toronto. An arena, now that is something we actually need. :the seats at the jack are gonna put me in the hospital if they don't start building:)

[brendan_435]

Question. Seeing as were on the topic...If the city were to level the jack and put a new arena in its place, where would the dogs play? aren't they already levelling niagara falls mem, so that eliminates that. So what are we left with....Thorold arena? The 4 pad?

[AlphaDog]

Question. Seeing as were on the topic...If the city were to level the jack and put a new arena in its place, where would the dogs play? aren't they already levelling niagara falls mem, so that eliminates that. So what are we left with....Thorold arena? The 4 pad?

From what I was told by another fan, we'd play in the Falls for a year.

The 4-pad only sits 1000 so that's useless.

As much as I'd want the new rink to remain downtown, there's just no bloody parking within walking distance (which is a lot shorter in the icy winter than in the warm breezes of summer).

[bry4n]

what the arena needs to be is
1. 4500 seats to many and it will look to empty to little and will have the over crouding and lack of seats
2.a Standing arera
3.thought most arenas are metal construction a wooden roofinf inside would give it the same vibe as the jack

[tbone]

Agree with that bry4n

[bry4n]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j118/bryanatsck/thecar.jpg
my eye balls hurt now from making this pixle by pixle

[Alex]

jesus you got way to much time on your hands. you are the master of MS Paint. i like the olde time style, like a little Forum or MLGardens

[AlphaDog]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j118/bryanatsck/thecar.jpg
my eye balls hurt now from making this pixle by pixle

NICE!! Haha I love the Title Block in the bottom right. You going to do up a bill of materials with that? :)

I also LOVE the idea of the 2nd tier curving around like a C. Very nice.

But I would prefer more seats. 3500 lower bowl, 2500 upper (or 4000/2000 - maybe 3500/1500 for 5000 total), with curtains that can be lowered over the top teir in case of lower attendance, to keep that 'intimate' atmosphere.

GOOD WORK! :thumbsup:

WAIT WAIT WAIT.. I take that back :) We can't have tiny little ends like that - other rinks are like that where they have tons of seating on the sides, then only a couple rows at the ends, and it makes it look GLOOMY overall.

*ALTHOUGH* I kind of like a huge "standing room" area, maybe in rows but with no seats - kinda like how football stadiums (er, soccer) have there 'terraces' where all the loudest of fans go so they can walk around and mingle with friends and move around a bit. That way people who bring in big flags and drums and that nots have room to stand with it.

[Casey]

Wow Bry4n! IT LOOKS GREAT! Don't think your attention to detail will go unnoticed on this forum!

[fishfan51]

From what I was told by another fan, we'd play in the Falls for a year.



The Niagara Falls arena is supposed to be closed (torn down) in just over a year. The Falls is building a new 4 pad that is scheduled to open for the 2009-2010 season. So next season is supposed to be the last.

If anyone plans on moving there for a year they better move quick.

[bry4n]

nevermind found it :) i wondered where it went to in my other thread

[AlphaDog]

nevermind found it :) i wondered where it went to in my other thread

Yah, all 'virtual' planning of the new arena should go into this thread :thumbsup:

[Alex]

*ALTHOUGH* I kind of like a huge "standing room" area, maybe in rows but with no seats - kinda like how football stadiums (er, soccer) have there 'terraces' where all the loudest of fans go so they can walk around and mingle with friends and move around a bit. That way people who bring in big flags and drums and that nots have room to stand with it.

Terraces, they're not just for football! :D


[edit - dead links]

[AlphaDog]

I could only DREAM of having that kind of support for our team! I think when it comes to cheering on your team, the Europeans are far ahead of us as far as organization goes. Over here we kinda "do our own thing" more individually or in small groups. Over there they really have that pack mentality / "social collective" mentality going.

Great vids!!! :thumbsup:

[Alex]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg283/ALX_DYCK/gccdowntowncopy.jpg

this is the jack blown up over 2X current size and located in the lower lot. the blue thing in between the garage and arena is a glass atrium/main entrance

[three dog night]

nice design may have to fix the road it look to close the building.

[AlphaDog]

The lower lot would be a GREAT place for it, because it would leave the current arena to play in while being built, it's right off the highway, and it would get rid of that EYESORE of a downtown we have with the backs of all those old buildings.

But somebody said they'd have to do a big soil replacement there because the ground's all contaminated underneath. Which doesn't seem like a big problem anyway because they're probably going to be digging down 20 feet into the ground to place the foundation of the place anyway.

[Alex]

What is the ground contaminated from, what use to be there?

[AlphaDog]

I LOVe how the Euros do a lot of their rinks, with the seating rising up farther each row and not far BACK as much. I think it brings the fans right on top of the ice and gives a great atmosphere that way!

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/index.php3?page=3000&size=3&arID=305 :

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/se/timr/timra18.jpg (http://www.timraik.nu/)

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/se/timr/timra19.jpg (http://www.timraik.nu/)

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/se/timr/timra20.jpg

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/se/timr/timra21.jpg

[ItsGameTime]

that looks mighty dangerous if there are drunk people walking around

[AlphaDog]

And a standing room SECTION is a must!!! :P

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/de/crimm/crimm11.jpg

All the people with drums and flags and stuff that take up too much room when you're locked into a specific seat would have a GREAT time in areas like this!!

[AlphaDog]

Perfect 2-tier size!! http://www.hockeyarenas.net/index.php3?page=3000&size=3&arID=1209

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/hu/debrece/debr5.jpg

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/hu/debrece/debre1.jpg

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/hu/debrece/debr4.jpg (http://www.icehockey.hu/)

Put up a domed roof instead of flat, and a sizeable terrace section, and I couldn't ask for anything more! :)

[AlphaDog]

that 2 tier above ^^ a coupe posts was 6000, here's a 5000 2-tier (3500 seats, 1500 standing) :

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/index.php3?page=3000&size=3&arID=1665


Hahah, could you imagine having a seat stuck in the MIDDLE of one of the big sections in this?? Hope yah don't gotta get up any time!

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/se/modo/gang.JPG


..and I'm just'a LOVING those domed roofs!!
http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/ch/olten/olten1.jpg

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/ch/olten/olten4.jpg http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/ch/olten/olten5.jpg

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/ch/olten/olten8.jpg

[Kevy]

The last set of pictures...is that the rink in Davos?

[ItsGameTime]

The last set of pictures...is that the rink in Davos?
sure looks like it

[Kevy]

I REALLY wanna go see a game played in that rink. The atmosphere always looks great

[AlphaDog]

Videos of the Davos arena:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyqIDhsgmyA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1-q0QenyKY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zTrfJbkHEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xthNNr9ZWb4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szMw8pB7B-c

Looks like fun there!

[Alex]

I love it when an arena looks like they decided to put an ice pad in the middle of an old building and just built seats around it till they couldn't anymore

[AlphaDog]

I love it when an arena looks like they decided to put an ice pad in the middle of an old building and just built seats around it till they couldn't anymore


Built from the ground up actually....

http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/ch/davos/davosbau.jpg (http://www.haring.ch/)

[bry4n]

But somebody said they'd have to do a big soil replacement there because the ground's all contaminated underneath. Which doesn't seem like a big problem anyway because they're probably going to be digging down 20 feet into the ground to place the foundation of the place anyway.

like the bob gale center will be any better...
does anyone remember cyanamid:9898:

[AlphaDog]

like the bob gale center will be any better...
does anyone remember cyanamid:9898:

Speak of which... I say we name the new rink NOW long before some corporation that doesn't give a :9898: about the team buys their way onto the side of the building (can you tell I'm not a big fan of stupid arena names? - sure if it's ABSOLUTELY necessary and you'll go belly up without) But could you imagine having a proud NHL team and going to see them play at the "National Car Rental Center" ?? :eek: (yes I'm expecting many replies telling me how necessary this form of selling out is - but up until a couple of decades ago everyone made out just fine with noble names like Maple Leaf Gardens, and the Buffalo Auditorium, and "SkyDome")

With Welland being the "Rose City" and St. Catharines the "Garden City" (what's the falls anyway?) I like the name: NIAGARA GARDENS

The media can call it whatever name they're forced to use, but I say we give our future rink a new name to be known by long before the corporations get a chance to turn it into an advertisement! :cheers2:

[brendan_435]

i say we just build it, give it character, and make it different than everything else in the league. Well i suppose we could give it a kitcheneresque touch. They shouldn't even LOOK at brampton, sarnia, mississauga, guelph etc. I DO like how in the soo they have windows so some natural light can come in. They need to do something original, that you don't see in the O. Put in a standing room only section, serve niagara wine, not the french rabbit:P, more beer girls would be nice:) ...but anyways none of that is really architectural... I think a little "dogs museum" would be nice in an arena, especially once some more of the boys make the big leagues. Anyways, i still can't think of anything architectural to make it stand out...Anyone have any ideas?