Trade Deadline Talk

[leafs_fan77]

I figured with the trade deadline fast approaching, we could get some good discussion/debates about our Maple Leafs and all other teams as well.

After watching tonight's game againt the Blue Jackets, I heard them say that Philly was really interested in Kaberle but he refused to wave his no-trade contract.

I also heard that Montreal is now interested in Sundin, but Sundin says he still doesn't want to wave his no-trade either.

Lastly, I hear Kyle Wellwood's name coming up alot lately. I hear his is hot bait for the deadline!

[leafs_fan77]

Minor trade today between the Flyers and the LA Kings.

LA traded D-Man Jaroslav Modry to the Flyers for a third round draft pick.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230038&hubname=

[AlphaDog]

Nooo, no Wellwood! I still have hope for him!!

As for Sundin, he's going to be HATED if he refuses to leave, sticks around meaning we don't get :9898: for him, and the team is unable to start rebuilding. He's just causing them to get nothing for their future by chosing to stick around.

DO THE RIGHT THING MATS!!! OUR FUTURE DEPENDS ON IT!

[cope]

Nooo, no Wellwood! I still have hope for him!!

As for Sundin, he's going to be HATED if he refuses to leave, sticks around meaning we don't get :9898: for him, and the team is unable to start rebuilding. He's just causing them to get nothing for their future by chosing to stick around.

DO THE RIGHT THING MATS!!! OUR FUTURE DEPENDS ON IT!

In all fairness to the players, they negioated in good-faith there contracts which contained more moeny then they are worth and "No Trade Clauses".

The team messed this up, not the players, the team is to blame.

[leafs_fan77]

Nooo, no Wellwood! I still have hope for him!!

Same here, he's one of the few players I want to keep on our team. Apparantly now, there could e a package deal going down, including Kilger and Wellwood. I just read that rumour from The Toronto Star.

In all fairness to the players, they negioated in good-faith there contracts which contained more moeny then they are worth and "No Trade Clauses".

The team messed this up, not the players, the team is to blame.

Yea, defiantly got to agree here. Plus Ferguson handed out No Trade Contracts like the local health clinic hands out cheap condoms.:001_tongue:

[leafs_fan77]

Getting so close to the deadline it seems like every sports article I read there is new trade rumours/talk in it.

TSN said that the Islanders are actually interested in McCabe and his big contract. I'm actually surprised about that one.

Plus Here is a Sundin trade possibility I saw on the internet.


Also, on the score today on a talk show, a viewer called for a rumour that he heard from his uncle in Floirda. Apparentley their is a Mats Sundin sale, this was the apparent trade.

To Anaheim:

Mats Sundin
Some other dude

To the Maple Leafs:

Francois Beauchemin
Edm and Ana Draft pick
Bobby Ryan

Amazing trade, but their is a CATCH.

MATS SUNDIN has to SIGN a TWO YEAR with the DUCKS before the trade!



Plus Tampa is looking to move Brad Richards now.

[skatee]

I believe mCcabe has ties to new york with his wife and such, doesnt he?

[leafs_fan77]

I believe mCcabe has ties to new york with his wife and such, doesnt he?

I'm not sure on that one, but that would make alot of sence.

[skatee]

ok.. did some research
back in 06 when he re-signed or whatever
there was a lot of waiting because his wife had a kid and wanted to be close to her family who hails from NYC
read this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060617.SHOALTS17/TPStory/TPSports/
refers to home on the island... all that jazz
mccabe with ties... blake a former isle...

[AlphaDog]

In all fairness to the players, they negioated in good-faith there contracts which contained more moeny then they are worth and "No Trade Clauses".

The team messed this up, not the players, the team is to blame.

Oh I fully agree the team is to blame for giving out these no trade contracts, but Sundin has a last chance to REALLY help the team's future by waiving it.

[AlphaDog]

Getting so close to the deadline it seems like every sports article I read there is new trade rumours/talk in it.

TSN said that the Islanders are actually interested in McCabe and his big contract. I'm actually surprised about that one.

Plus Here is a Sundin trade possibility I saw on the internet.




Plus Tampa is looking to move Brad Richards now.

THat would be GREAT for Mats - go to a team he can really help win a Cup as they have a great shot as it is.

[leafs_fan77]

Oh I fully agree the team is to blame for giving out these no trade contracts, but Sundin has a last chance to REALLY help the team's future by waiving it.

Ya, me too actually. He knows he's not going to win a cup in Toronto this year, and his contract expires at the end of this year. So why not trade him and get some young talent and draft picks and if he really must sign in the off season again.

[cope]

Ya, me too actually. He knows he's not going to win a cup in Toronto this year, and his contract expires at the end of this year. So why not trade him and get some young talent and draft picks and if he really must sign in the off season again.

If you don't think Matts knows that your crazy, but I just don't think he cares if he wins the cup. What does winning the cup do for him.

He already has money, he is already famous, he will already be voted into the Hall of Fame. Honestly, European players don't have the same passion for the Cup as us Canadians.

He wanted the no trade clause when he signed the deal, knowing he won't win a cup in Toronto because his family and him want to stay in Toronto. That is why he doesn't want to wave it. Kudo's to him for saying No, if he does it for his family, he busted his butt off his career to get a no trade clause with a team where he wanted to live the rest of his career and beyond and they gave it to him. Kudo's to him for putting his family first.

As a side note, I do agree that if the Leafs are going to re-build as they should he needs to go, but at the same time, I don't blame Matts for not waving it either.

[RioBravo]

Mats owes nothing to this team, if he doesn't want to move, he has every right to stay.

[IceDogs5]

I love the guy and it would be hard to see him wearing a non-TML jersey. But for the good of the team, waiving is the best (and really only option) available if they're looking to acquire some solid young talent. Like numerous analysts/reporters have said, it's not like he can't re-sign in the summer. Tuesday should be very interesting.

[skatee]

i still think they need to deal mats for something good in the future
then ink him right away in july

[leafs_fan77]

Cope, I totally agree with you. Mats pretty much is the Toronto Maple Leafs, he does not owe anything to the club. All I was saying is that if they are serious about re-building they have to start with him. They can always just ink him back in July like Skatee said.

[cope]

And I agree, my point is fans (understanding they are fans), get pissed if a player in any sport holds out or doesn't hold up to their end of the contract. Now you have a player who is performing and wants to abide by his contract and he is getting hammered for it.

[WellandDogsFan]

From tsn.ca

Darren Dreger
2/22/2008 9:54:22 AM
Sources tell TSN that Toronto Maple Leafs interim general manager Cliff Fletcher and captain Mats Sundin met on Thursday to discuss his future with the team.
It's believed Fletcher asked Sundin for a list of teams he would consider playing for, although the Leafs GM stopped short of officially asking him to waive his no-trade clause.
The fact Fletcher has asked for the list of teams speaks to his intent to trade Sundin, but Sundin remains in control and if unwilling can scuttle any potential deal.
Sundin has only a few days to contemplate his future with the trade deadline set for 3pm (et) on Tuesday, however the belief is Toronto is hoping for a response from Sundin either today or tomorrow.
If the Leafs captain clears the way for a trade, he will only do so to join the team of his choice, which will clearly limit Toronto's flexibility.
The fact the 37 year old is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent July 1st also hinders Toronto's asking price as it is unlikely Sundin will relinquish further control by agreeing to any extension before fully assessing his future in the summer.
Debate will rage on all fronts, no matter the outcome of Sundin's decision.
If he agrees to a trade and is moved as a rental, then the rate of return will be analyzed and compared to Sundin's value had he stayed on as the Maple Leafs franchise player for another season or two.
If he opts not to waive his no-trade and crushes any chance of the organization jump-starting its rebuild then the quiet rumblings of those critical of his decision will become deafening in an attempt to villify one of the Toronto Maple Leafs most beloved leaders.
Detriot, San Jose, Anaheim and Vancouver are believed to be the main Western Conference contenders for Sundin, however with Sundin in full control of his destiny, an Eastern Conference team remains a strong possiblity as well, and some believe the Montreal Canadiens and Ottawa Senators will be in play.
Throughout his career, Sundin has average slightly better than a point per game. In 1,293 games he has scored 547 goals, 757 assists, for 1,304 points.

[cope]

I hope he goes to Ottawa.

[ItsGameTime]

I hope he goes to Ottawa.
I will not be a Leafs fan anymore if that happens.

[leafs_fan77]

And I agree, my point is fans (understanding they are fans), get pissed if a player in any sport holds out or doesn't hold up to their end of the contract. Now you have a player who is performing and wants to abide by his contract and he is getting hammered for it.

I'm not mad or nothing, I think Sundin is a great player, he's one of my favs. But I know the type of fans and media your getting at.

[leafs_fan77]

The last place I want him to go to is Ottawa as well. Screw the Senators:D

[dutchguy7]

It would be weird seeing Mats in a Senators uniform. I'd find it weird seeing him in any other jersey other than blue and white since he's only played with teams that have blue and white jerseys.

[skatee]

He wasnt at practice today... neither was McCabe.. rumour mill is churning baby

[AlphaDog]

I hope he goes to Ottawa.

Haha, that would be HILARIOUS. As much as I hate Ottawa, it would be worth too much to see Sundin in a Sens jersey for it not to happen :) If Sundin could get Ottawa in to the Cup finals, I might actually even root for that team.

[IceDogs5]

I agree AD. On any given day I LOATH the Senators. But I've pretty much determined that whatever team Sundin ends up with (if that happens at all)...that's the team I'll be pulling for in the Stanley Cup run. Great guy - he deserves to raise the cup.

[leafs_fan77]

I heard that Alex Steen just signed a two-year 3.4 million dollar deal, paying him 1.7 million each year. That's wierd seeing as how, there is only 4 days away from the trade deadline.

[leafs_fan77]

Here's the link.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2008/02/22/leafs_steen/

[WellandDogsFan]

Nothing weird about that. The Leafs are trying to lock up their young talent at affordable rates. I think its a good move on their part, if you are a Leafs fan.

[leafs_fan77]

I personally think it is a little too pricey for Steen. He hasn't produced as much as I expected. Hopefully over these two years he produces more and makes me look like an idiot.

[AlphaDog]

Out of the 3 musketeers (or stooges? :) ) Steen / Stajan / Wellwood - I liked Wellwood the best, but he's kind of fallen apart as of late.

I think 1.7M for Stajan is too much at this point. They need to be as cheap as possible - if they loose some players because of it, so what. Lets get a brand new team on the ice. 25 yr old age limit for the entire roster.

[leafs_fan77]

I always liked Wellwood too, but I'm not huge on the other two "Stooges" :D