View Full Version : NHL Trade Deadline Tuesday (all trade talk here)
AlphaDog
02-26-2008, 10:21 AM
Nothing major yet... Hossa's name was being tossed around (hehe, not to the Leafs of course).
Fletcher's going to be in tough today. He can't trade Pintos for Porches. Hopefully he can at least clean house of anyone over 25 and get some future picks or young prospects. This roster needs a fresh start.
AlphaDog
02-26-2008, 11:17 AM
BELAK IS GONE
Wade Belak has been traded to Florida for a 5th round pick this year. Sure this is supposed to be a good draft year, but 5th round? C'mon.
If there was one person on the roster I didn't want to see gone, it was Wade! :scared:
skatee
02-26-2008, 11:42 AM
Brian Campbell dealt to sharks.. thats a big deal
WellandDogsFan
02-26-2008, 11:42 AM
Richards to Dallas awaiting his approval
AlphaDog
02-26-2008, 11:48 AM
Brian Campbell dealt to sharks.. thats a big deal
Wow I really haven't been paying attention to players the last 2yrs or so. I used to be able to tell you every state of the top 10 scorers, the home towns and previous teams of all the well-known players, etc...
Since the Leafs started their downhill dive I've really paid less attention to the NHL and wow is it ever showing! I don't even know who the big names are anymore!
WellandDogsFan
02-26-2008, 11:53 AM
Huet (spelling) to Washington. I guess Price is the man in Montreal now.
habsfan
02-26-2008, 11:58 AM
Huet (spelling) to Washington. I guess Price is the man in Montreal now.
How do you trade your #1 goalie for a someone who may not even play on your team???? :blink: There has to be more to this trade than what is officially announced so far...
WellandDogsFan
02-26-2008, 11:58 AM
How do you trade your #1 goalie for a someone who may not even play on your team???? :blink: There has to be more to this trade than what is officially announced so far...
How? by making your number 2 your number 1. It was just a matter of time before Price became the number 1
habsfan
02-26-2008, 12:05 PM
How? by making your number 2 your number 1. It was just a matter of time before Price became the number 1
Sure, no real disagreement with Price being the #1 goalie of the FUTURE, but this year, Huet was #1 and they trade him for a 2nd rounder. Many 2nd round picks don't make the big club, so again, how do you trade a CURRENT starting goalie for someone who may not even play for you in the future? If they couldn't get more than that for him, then they shouldn't have traded him away for a proverbial bag of pucks!! :blush:
TheQuietOne
02-26-2008, 12:09 PM
Sure, no real disagreement with Price being the #1 goalie of the FUTURE, but this year, Huet was #1 and they trade him for a 2nd rounder. Many 2nd round picks don't make the big club, so again, how do you trade a CURRENT starting goalie for someone who may not even play for you in the future? If they couldn't get more than that for him, then they shouldn't have traded him away for a proverbial bag of pucks!! :blush:
Unless, as my boss (Habs fan :thumbdown:) thinks it's a salary dump and a prelude to something bigger.
skatee
02-26-2008, 12:14 PM
i think somethings coming for the habs... even someone like roloson.. price is too inconsistent
Casey
02-26-2008, 01:30 PM
I would love to see Roloson with Ottawa. After last nights game, I feel sick to see Emerys face. The whole team played sloppy, but Emery is a huge mark on Ottawas once good name!
RioBravo
02-26-2008, 02:59 PM
Hossa to Pitts for Armstrong, Esposito, and Cristensen....and maybe a first rounder.
Imagine what Mats could of got:(
AlphaDog
02-26-2008, 03:14 PM
NY Islanders Chris Simon to Minnesota Wild for 6th round pick. Yeow they've got a tough team!
AlphaDog
02-26-2008, 03:19 PM
LEAFS trade Chad Kilger to Florida for 3rd round pick.
AlphaDog
02-26-2008, 03:27 PM
Columbus tough guy Jody Shelley to SJ Sharks for '09 6th round pick. Darn, he was one reason I'd want to watch a Columbus game.
AlphaDog
02-26-2008, 03:33 PM
LEAFS Hal Gill to Pittsburg for a 2nd + 5th round pick.
skatee
02-26-2008, 04:16 PM
wow.. the penguins could be dangerous... although I would have loved to got what atl. got
leafs_fan77
02-26-2008, 04:54 PM
This is the stupidest thing ever. So much for cleaning house. I hate the Leafs right now. Got rid of the only player worth watching, Belak! LAME!
habsfan
02-26-2008, 05:01 PM
What about the Capitals? 4 separate trades today, including Fedorov and Huet!! They just got a whole lot better!
My habs just got a whole lot worse! :y1:
leafs_fan77
02-26-2008, 05:32 PM
My Leafs just got a whole lot more boring to watch.
three dog night
02-26-2008, 05:36 PM
I wonder why Buffalo gave up their top defenceman. Richards to Dallas might help them in their cup run
bry4n
02-26-2008, 05:59 PM
my re-cap of the day:w00t:
Buffalo-Screwed there playoff run:sad2:
Habs-Might be out of the mind:scared:
Caps-Made out like bandits and are now hard in the race:eek:
Pitts-Got Hossa :thumbsup:
Leafs-did boring things..like they mostly do:20:
Jackets-Cleaned house:001_tongue:
WellandDogsFan
02-26-2008, 06:05 PM
I wonder why Buffalo gave up their top defenceman. Richards to Dallas might help them in their cup run
because they couldnt sign him. They have been trying to sign him to a multi-year deal since last fall but the two sides couldnt connect. So instead of letting him go like Briere and Drury (and get nothing in return for them), they traded him and got something in return
Phil Margonis
02-26-2008, 06:21 PM
exactly right WDF. i'm a buffalo fan so i know a thing or two
golisano is cheap so we couldn't keep him. so considering that we did a good job getting something in return. bernier is a young power forward with lots of upside. plus we got a 1st rounder and the draft is very strong this year.
the only other deal where a 1st rounder was involved was i nthe biggest deal of the day- hossa. draft picks are more valuable than every in this salary cap era. so to get a 1st in a good draft yr and a good young forward is a good job by regier.
soupy is a great player tho and i'm sad to see him go
WellandDogsFan
02-26-2008, 06:25 PM
While I am not a fan of the Sabres, I do follow them because they are close and because of Roy. I use to watch him when he played for the Kitchener Rangers.
PM your analysis is dead on. Atleast they have 2 first round picks next year in a deep draft.
WellandDogsFan
02-26-2008, 06:32 PM
One move I dont understand at all is... why would my Wild pick up Chris Simon??? Makes no sense to me.
toughness against the ducks
WellandDogsFan
02-26-2008, 06:35 PM
toughness against the ducks
Yeah that is what I thought too but the Wild picked up a couple of players earlier in the year just for that mission. I guess one can never have enough bone heads lol
yeah, the ducks really played a tough game in the corners, I guess if you have a goon or two, they may think twice of any cheap shots.
leafs_fan77
02-26-2008, 07:40 PM
Yea, those should be good games now.
RioBravo
02-26-2008, 10:52 PM
So the Leafs get a 2nd,3rd and two 5ths for
Belak, Gill, Kilger....not bad at all if you ask me.
ItsGameTime
02-26-2008, 11:03 PM
Gill for a 2nd and 5th is a lot more than I thought we would have gotten for him!
Even Belak for a 5th is impressive in my mind.
AlphaDog
02-27-2008, 05:04 AM
This is the stupidest thing ever. So much for cleaning house. I hate the Leafs right now. Got rid of the only player worth watching, Belak! LAME!
I think in the off-season they'll be dumping a lot of players, buying out salaries, etc... Like Fletcher said, the team will look a LOT different come September.
leafs_fan77
02-27-2008, 08:52 AM
I think in the off-season they'll be dumping a lot of players, buying out salaries, etc... Like Fletcher said, the team will look a LOT different come September.
Haha, yea I know. Yesterday/Last Night, I was just in a pissy mood because I literally bought that jersey like a month ago. Just sad to see him leave.
Phil Margonis
02-27-2008, 08:55 AM
yeah im surprised the leafs got anything for those bags of garbage haha
good job by fletcher.
leafs could have sped up the re building process by like 2 seasons had Mats waived that trade clause so if i was a Leafs fan i'd be frustrated. if any of the other 4 idiots would have waived their no trade clause that would have helped too. not fletchers fault tho
leafs_fan77
02-27-2008, 10:59 AM
Belak's job isn't to score, he isn't a bag of garbage. His job is too hit hard and to protect his teammates when needed. He did his job well, I think. Maurice just never found the line-up space for him (which he should of, he's not a great coach).
RioBravo
02-27-2008, 10:34 PM
Im not a big Belak fan at all but calling Gill and Kilger bags of garbage isn't right. Gill is awesome on the PK and Kilger is a solid 4th liner, he can chip in some points and hes a pretty heavy hitter. If you think Gill went for about the same as Huet...its not that bad of a trade.
leafs_fan77
02-27-2008, 11:25 PM
Yeah, those guys arn't garbage either.
Kilger was a healthy scratch tonight for Florida as Belak was playing and a got a whomping 5 minutes and 9 seconds of ice time lol.
Phil Margonis
02-28-2008, 07:45 AM
i'm not lookin to get into a great debate here as kilger and belak aren't worth that but come on these guys could be easily replaces by joe schmo in the minors and just were in fact.
skatee
02-28-2008, 09:42 AM
i'm not lookin to get into a great debate here as kilger and belak aren't worth that but come on these guys could be easily replaces by joe schmo in the minors and just were in fact.
sadly i agree. kilger played well for a bit this year though.
i'll take the picks though.
ps- this is ocming from a leafs fan
Phil Margonis
02-28-2008, 10:15 AM
oh yeah you guys made out like bandits getting the picks you did. I'd draft Sanderson with a later round pick maybe 5th round or 4th. maybe you guys could get him. althoguh i hope Buffalo do i love his hands and work ethic. he almost alyways finishes his checks too
Rio,
Gill was good on the pk?.. whats that Pk ranked? bottom 5 i know that much
WellandDogsFan
02-28-2008, 10:21 AM
oh yeah you guys made out like bandits getting the picks you did. I'd draft Sanderson with a later round pick maybe 5th round or 4th. maybe you guys could get him. althoguh i hope Buffalo do i love his hands and work ethic. he almost alyways finishes his checks too
Rio,
Gill was good on the pk?.. whats that Pk ranked? bottom 5 i know that much
I was talking with someone in the IceDogs organization a few weeks ago and they told me that Sandy is now ranked on the pre-draft rankings. Not sure what number he is though. I think he is definitely worth a mid to late round pick.
Phil Margonis
02-28-2008, 11:06 AM
very interesting WDF
habsfan
02-28-2008, 11:56 AM
I was talking with someone in the IceDogs organization a few weeks ago and they told me that Sandy is now ranked on the pre-draft rankings. Not sure what number he is though. I think he is definitely worth a mid to late round pick.
On the NHL Central Scouting list (according to TSN, Hockeyforum.com, and CBS sportline.com), Barry is ranked 205th amongst North American skaters. Pretty low, butat least he's on the list!
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=5104&hubname
AlphaDog
02-28-2008, 11:58 AM
On the NHL Central Scouting list (according to TSN, Hockeyforum.com, and CBS sportline.com), Barry is ranked 205th amongst North American skaters. Pretty low, butat least he's on the list!
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=5104&hubname
hehe, hey if the NHL drafts all from North American skaters, he could go in the 7th round!! :o
ItsGameTime
02-28-2008, 01:21 PM
On the NHL Central Scouting list (according to TSN, Hockeyforum.com, and CBS sportline.com), Barry is ranked 205th amongst North American skaters. Pretty low, butat least he's on the list!
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=5104&hubname
It's great to see Sandy on the list
Those lists mean absolutely nothing though. I'm reading this book called Future Greats and Heartbreaks by a guy that followed the Columbus Blue Jackets around for the whole pre draft, draft and after stuff. The teams surely look at those lists but they are by no means the bible of hockey prospects. Teams do their own scouting work and a guy like Sanderson could be 209th in NA on one list and 100th on any given NHL teams "list" where as other teams might not even give him the time of day. Your draft ranking is solely based on where you are drafted is what it states in the book.
Just a little rant.
WellandDogsFan
02-28-2008, 01:40 PM
It's great to see Sandy on the list
Those lists mean absolutely nothing though. I'm reading this book called Future Greats and Heartbreaks by a guy that followed the Columbus Blue Jackets around for the whole pre draft, draft and after stuff. The teams surely look at those lists but they are by no means the bible of hockey prospects. Teams do their own scouting work and a guy like Sanderson could be 209th in NA on one list and 100th on any given NHL teams "list" where as other teams might not even give him the time of day. Your draft ranking is solely based on where you are drafted is what it states in the book.
Just a little rant.
Its not an objective list so we are left to the mercy of those that put that particular list together. Everybody's draft board is different. While most may say Stamkos is #1, who goes in what order after him is open to team needs and debate.
bry4n
02-28-2008, 04:13 PM
ummmm after last nights buffalo game i take back my first comment
skatee
02-28-2008, 11:25 PM
It's great to see Sandy on the list
Those lists mean absolutely nothing though. I'm reading this book called Future Greats and Heartbreaks by a guy that followed the Columbus Blue Jackets around for the whole pre draft, draft and after stuff. The teams surely look at those lists but they are by no means the bible of hockey prospects. Teams do their own scouting work and a guy like Sanderson could be 209th in NA on one list and 100th on any given NHL teams "list" where as other teams might not even give him the time of day. Your draft ranking is solely based on where you are drafted is what it states in the book.
Just a little rant.
this is off topic.. but speaking of cbj
there were a lot of scouts in the house tonight.. cbj, nyi, buff, phili, multiple guys from a couple of the teams... good to see lots of interest
habsfan
02-28-2008, 11:30 PM
this is off topic.. but speaking of cbj
there were a lot of scouts in the house tonight.. cbj, nyi, buff, phili, multiple guys from a couple of the teams... good to see lots of interest
Great to hear; always good to have them in the building looking for talent.
Just curious, how do you know which team they were from??
IceDogs5
02-29-2008, 12:08 AM
Re: draft lists. I read that "Future Greats..." book awhile back. Fascinating - I love stuff like that. Come end of the season, those final ranking lists mean sh*t - more so put together for the media/fan frenzy leading up to the draft.
AlphaDog
02-29-2008, 07:21 AM
Great to hear; always good to have them in the building looking for talent.
Just curious, how do you know which team they were from??
I was just going to ask that!
How can someone tell who's a scout and what team their scouting for?
WellandDogsFan
02-29-2008, 07:56 AM
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Great to hear; always good to have them in the building looking for talent.
Just curious, how do you know which team they were from??
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I was just going to ask that!
How can someone tell who's a scout and what team their scouting for?
They usually are wearing a windbreaker or someother coat that has the teams logo on it. And their clipboards/paper has their teams logo on it as well.
Its a good guess that when you see someone standing/sitting up high in the corner or ends and they are writing on a clipboard they are a scout. I dont see them much at the Jack because I seldom walk around once I sit, but have seen them at other locations throughout the league.
GoDogsGo
02-29-2008, 10:18 AM
i saw a few of them at the game last sunday.... standing at the ends in section A...some had a pass around their neck....
IceDogs5
02-29-2008, 09:14 PM
Another good indication of a scout -- when a controversial call is made, a goal scored etc...they're stone-faced - pretty much no reaction; write a few notes etc. Not that people have time to peruse the 3145 fans at the Jack looking for this behaviour while there's a game on :001_tongue:
skatee
03-01-2008, 12:18 PM
Quote:
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Great to hear; always good to have them in the building looking for talent.
Just curious, how do you know which team they were from??
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They usually are wearing a windbreaker or someother coat that has the teams logo on it. And their clipboards/paper has their teams logo on it as well.
Its a good guess that when you see someone standing/sitting up high in the corner or ends and they are writing on a clipboard they are a scout. I dont see them much at the Jack because I seldom walk around once I sit, but have seen them at other locations throughout the league.
thats the best way to see the sabres scouts... although when georgey armstrong was in, he just looked like an old fan ;)
as my location says "close to the action"
;)
leafs_fan77
03-18-2008, 08:00 PM
Maybe Belak got what is better for him. He is doing his job properly with Florida as the team is letting him. They are now on a 7 game winning streat and I think are 7-2 since they required Belak. Just goes to show that a role player like Belak can make a difference, if they actually let him play HIS game. I hope Florida squeezes into the playoff's this year~!
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