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canucks4 11-14-2016 09:23 AM

Judge orders OHL & WHL to hand over financial records
 
I don't know if anyone else is following this, but its starting to get interesting. A judge in Calgary has ordered both leagues to open their books in an ongoing class action lawsuit asserting that the clubs are making millions and should be paying minimum wage to the players. I suspect a few owners thought the OHL would just deal with this and make it go away, but it doesn't look like that's happening. I tried copying the article, but no go - its on the CBC sports network.

AuldBone 11-14-2016 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by canucks4 (Post 102747)
I don't know if anyone else is following this, but its starting to get interesting. A judge in Calgary has ordered both leagues to open their books in an ongoing class action lawsuit asserting that the clubs are making millions and should be paying minimum wage to the players. I suspect a few owners thought the OHL would just deal with this and make it go away, but it doesn't look like that's happening. I tried copying the article, but no go - its on the CBC sports network.

To be honest I'm surprised it's taken this long for a class action suit of this nature from the players. There was grumbling about it from some players back in the early 90s... It's something that my family ( and many others I'm sure ) have been arguing about in arenas, and bars, and at big family dinners for ages.

Be very interesting to see where this goes.

strohs 11-14-2016 01:47 PM

I am following it closely as well. I suspect the losses are not what Branch says they are.

However I think the players need to be careful what they wish for.

If they are paid minimum wage and then charged for equipment, sticks, room and board, meals etc, I really do suspect the players won't really be ahead of the game financially anymore like they are now. Keep in mind the MAJORITY of OHL players do not go on to professional levels. Therefore in theory the MAJORITY of players are getting some type of financial assistance for post secondary education. I'm guessing the level of funding they do get is negotiated between player and team.

And don't just assume if they are treated as employees, and paid a minimum wage, that the employer is obligated to price equipment, sticks, room and board, meals, to their employees ... doesn't always work like that in the private sector.


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AuldBone 11-14-2016 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by strohs (Post 102750)
I am following it closely as well. I suspect the losses are not what Branch says they are.

However I think the players need to be careful what they wish for.

If they are paid minimum wage and then charged for equipment, sticks, room and board, meals etc, I really do suspect the players won't really be ahead of the game financially anymore like they are now. Keep in mind the MAJORITY of OHL players do not go on to professional levels. Therefore in theory the MAJORITY of players are getting some type of financial assistance for post secondary education. I'm guessing the level of funding they do get is negotiated between player and team.

And don't just assume if they are treated as employees, and paid a minimum wage, that the employer is obligated to price equipment, sticks, room and board, meals, to their employees ... doesn't always work like that in the private sector.


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I really think this is a lose / lose proposition for the players... For many of the reasons you mentioned, ie. the team picks up the costs of playing hockey in the league, equipment costs ( Those are not cheap 10$ wooden sticks from that we used to get at Cambodian Tire in the 80s to play road hockey with ), travel expenses (food and rooms if required), room and board with billets, etc... As well as the education plan that so many boys have taken advantage of.

I think it's disingenuous for Branch to claim the teams are money losing operations. If they were losing money, they wouldn't be around long. Few business people want to stay in a business that is losing money. But I can understand not paying the players minimum wage. Plus the idea of paying a hockey player an hourly wage just seems weird to me.

NachoLou 11-14-2016 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AuldBone (Post 102752)
I really think this is a lose / lose proposition for the players... For many of the reasons you mentioned, ie. the team picks up the costs of playing hockey in the league, equipment costs ( Those are not cheap 10$ wooden sticks from that we used to get at Cambodian Tire in the 80s to play road hockey with ), travel expenses (food and rooms if required), room and board with billets, etc... As well as the education plan that so many boys have taken advantage of.

I think it's disingenuous for Branch to claim the teams are money losing operations. If they were losing money, they wouldn't be around long. Few business people want to stay in a business that is losing money. But I can understand not paying the players minimum wage. Plus the idea of paying a hockey player an hourly wage just seems weird to me.

If they were losing money, would the Burkes be throwing a million dollars at a street sign?

Blacksox 11-14-2016 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by canucks4 (Post 102747)
I don't know if anyone else is following this, but its starting to get interesting. A judge in Calgary has ordered both leagues to open their books in an ongoing class action lawsuit asserting that the clubs are making millions and should be paying minimum wage to the players. I suspect a few owners thought the OHL would just deal with this and make it go away, but it doesn't look like that's happening. I tried copying the article, but no go - its on the CBC sports network.


CHL teams ordered to turn over tax info by Alberta judge
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...ling-1.3828217


CHL responds after Alberta judge orders teams to hand over tax returns, finance statements
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...udge-1.3829713

NiceDawg 11-15-2016 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NachoLou (Post 102754)
If they were losing money, would the Burkes be throwing a million dollars at a street sign?

there you have it kids - post of the day

three dog night 11-15-2016 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NachoLou (Post 102754)
If they were losing money, would the Burkes be throwing a million dollars at a street sign?

Maybe the true reason the money was with drawn they might have known this court order was coming down.

poochlover 11-15-2016 06:10 PM

Cmon
 
I doubt if the teams would begin charging players for equipment and hotel rooms!!! Meals on the road would be provided (as with any other business) and I do not know many companies that charge for work equipment (computers etc). The reality is that a good number of teams earn reasonable( and in some cases) exceptional returns on their investments. The sale prices of the franchises in the past 5 years certainly show that owners EXPECT a return. Will be interesting

strohs 11-15-2016 08:56 PM

Judge orders OHL & WHL to hand over financial records
 
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Originally Posted by poochlover (Post 102779)
I doubt if the teams would begin charging players for equipment and hotel rooms!!! Meals on the road would be provided (as with any other business) and I do not know many companies that charge for work equipment (computers etc). The reality is that a good number of teams earn reasonable( and in some cases) exceptional returns on their investments. The sale prices of the franchises in the past 5 years certainly show that owners EXPECT a return. Will be interesting



Never say never.

Various employers charge employees for uniforms.

In construction you often have to pay for your own boots, outerwear.

Apprentices in various trades often have to pay for their own tools.

How about a gym to work out at? Or access to a training staff? Not many employers provide you with free gym memberships or access to free health professional services whenever you need it?

Oh and how about all of that icetime they get? Practices almost daily? Last time I checked it wasn't free to rent ice time ...


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