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Old 10-21-2019, 03:55 PM
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Not what you are holding JB to. You as a GM, what is Lodnia worth right now? What are you willing to pay or what would you accept?
I don't think the Dogs will get what they paid for Miletic. Not because I don't think that Lodnia is worth as much as Miletic, but because I think JB overpaid. He would have to find someone to make the same foolish decision.

I think two second round picks is what would be fair for both sides. But I want those picks in 2020 and 2021.
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I don't think the Dogs will get what they paid for Miletic. Not because I don't think that Lodnia is worth as much as Miletic, but because I think JB overpaid. He would have to find someone to make the same foolish decision.
Miletic cost the IceDogs three 2nds.

So if the Brandon Saigeon trade for: 2nd 2019, 2nd 2022, 3rd 2024 and the Kole Sherwood trade for: 2nd 2019, 2nd 2020, 3rd 2021 and a 5th 2020 were not overpays – and Sam Miletic trade was, then trading a 2nd instead of a 3rd was the reason they “overpaid”. "Overpaid" might be a bit of an over-exaggeration, but it’s your opinion and you are entitled to that.

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I think two second round picks is what would be fair for both sides. But I want those picks in 2020 and 2021.


Two 2nd for Lodnia is a fair return. However, if he gets off to a good start, I will hold to my original evaluation and maintain they can also get a 3rd.

And like you I feel the IceDogs need to target 2020, especially 2021 and even 2022. However, with Lodnia unexpectedly added to the IceDogs' trade stable, they could in theory, depending on the return they get from the others, use Lodnia’s return to build up the back-end of the draft cupboard.

They can’t use all four of their tradeable players to acquire early year picks - some later year picks will be needed as trade capital when it’s the IceDogs turn to compete for a championship.

So whether they get early or late year picks from Lodnia - there has to be some balance from those 4 players. Too many early year picks is also not ideal. So, if Lodnia is the later picks, then Thomas and Tomasino need to recoup early pick or vice versa. We won’t know the configuration of all the picks acquired until after all four are traded. Paquette got the IceDogs started with some great early picks.

RECOUPING DRAFT PICKS (Phillip and Paquette)
2020 1st, ___,3rd ,___, 5th
2021 XX, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd , 4th,5th,6th
2022 1st, ___,___, 4th, 5th
2023 1st, ___,___, 4th, 5th, 5th
2024 1st, ___,___, 4th, 5th
2025 1st, ___, 3rd, 4th, 5th
2026 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
2027 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th

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Let's see the return JB gets ... it will be a good judge of his buying and selling abilities ...

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FF51 and I both agree the return for Lodnia is somewhere close to - two 2nd (and maybe a 3rd). If however, Lodnia can come in and score at the rate of top 5 scorer (1.5 ppg) maybe an underachieving prospect with a pick (or just a third 2nd) is a possibility.

In his 4 years as GM, JB has been very successful as a seller, especially when you consider the players he had to trade. Here are all his trades as a seller:

Nov. 11, 2017
Traded: Graham Knott
For: 2nd - 2021, 3rd - 2017, 3rd - 2019, 4th - 2018 and two conditional picks: 3rd - 2021, 3rd - 2022.

Jan. 9, 2017
Traded: Chris Paquette
For: Nate McDonald, 2nd - 2017, 2nd - 2018, 2nd - 2021, 2nd - 2020 and 3rd – 2022

August 27, 2018
Traded: Justin McPherson
IceDogs acquired: 3rd – 2020, 3rd – 2022 and a 5th - 2023.

Oct. 2nd, 2018
Traded: Willy Lochead
IceDogs acquired: 3rd Round 2024
FOOTNOTE: JB worst trade by far. Inexcusable that he traded him at all. If a trade was to be made the price should have been a huge overpay of two 2nd or he does not get back into the OHL

Nov. 27, 2018
Traded: Liam Ham
IceDogs acquired: 2nd – 2020, 2nd – 2022 and 3rd – 2024

August 6, 2019
Traded: OA Matt Phillips
IceDogs acquired: F - Jackson Doherty and OS 6th 2021



JB is back as a seller this year - but this time around has some high end elite talent to sell.

September 12, 2019
Traded: OA Jacob Paquette
IceDogs acquired: 2020 3rd, 2021 2nd, 3rd, and 5th.

He now has three more to go. Lodnia and Thomas this season and Tomasino next season.


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Trade Lodnia to the Petes they tend to over pay in their trades with us.
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