ICE DOGS HOCKEY OPERATIONS

[three dog night]

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[Blacksox]

BUYER:

Jan. 9, 2017
Traded: 11th - 2017.
IceDogs acquired: Justin Brack

Jan. 10, 2017
Traded: Hayden Davis
For: Kirill Maksimov, 1 x 3rd and 1 x 2nd

Aug. 16, 2017
Traded: 2nd and 3rd
IceDogs acquired: Elijah Roberts (3rd season)

Nov. 17, 2017
Traded: 4th
IceDogs acquired: Adrian Carbonara (OA)

Jan. 9, 2017
Traded: 3 x 2nd and 3rd
IceDogs acquired: Sam Miletic and 3rd

August 7, 2018
Traded: Daniel Singer; 5th
IceDogs acquired: Ivan Lodnia (2nd season)

Nov. 20, 2018
Traded: Billy Constantinou, Ian Martin, 2nd x 4, 3rd x 3, 5th, 7th, 11th,13th
IceDogs acquired: Jason Robertson and Jacob Paquette

Jan. 8, 2019
Traded: Lleyton Moore, 3 x 2nd and 3 x 3rd
IceDogs acquired: Jack Studnicka and Matt Brassard.

Jan 10, 2019
Traded: 4th
IceDogs acquired: Jake McGrath

August 30, 2019
Traded: 10th
IceDogs acquired: Dakota Betts

Nov 6, 2019
Traded: 13th rd 2021
IceDogs acquired: Adrian Beraldo

Jan 6, 2020
Traded: Kyen Sopa, 2022 13th
IceDogs acquired: 2022 2nd, 2023 3rd, 2022 8th

Jan 8, 2020
Traded: 5th 2022
IceDogs acquired: G Andrew McLean

Jan 10, 2020
Traded: Christian Stevens, 2023 3rd
IceDogs acquired: Cameron Peters


The market value for elite and lesser talent is set by OHL GMs trading comparable players (e.g., pts, drafted, undrafted, signed, position, age, etc…).

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F - Jason Robertson (Dallas) / D - Jacob Paquette (Nash) deal was similar to the Taylor Raddish / Jordan Sambrook deal.

SIMILAR TRADE:
SSM ACQUIRED: F-Taylor Raddysh (TB) and D-Jordan Sambrook (Det)
SSM TRADED: 1st Rd Hayden Fowler; 5 x 2nd, 2 x 3rd, 2 x 6th

Before Paquette was traded the deal was almost identical - after he was dealt, the cost was only:
•2nd rd Billy Constantinou
•Ian Martin
•Peterborough 2nd (2021)
•Niagara 2nd (2022)
•Niagara 2nd (2023)
•London 3rd (2024)
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•Windsor 7th (2019)
•Niagara 11th (2021)
•Niagara 13th (2020)


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The cost for Jack Studnicka was established by the Robert Thomas deal – and the cost of Matt Brassard was similar to another average OA defenseman (Nic Mattinen) traded at the deadline.

Trade: Lleyton Moore, 3 x 2nd and 3 x 3rd
IceDogs acquired: Jack Studnicka and Matt Brassard.

Player 1:
IceDogs acquired: Jack Studnicka (Canada World Jrs.)
IceDogs Traded: (1st Rd #12) Lleyton Moore, 2 x 2nd and 2 x 3rd
Similar Trade:
Hamilton acquired: Robert Thomas (Canada World Jrs.)
Hamilton traded: (1st Rd #11) Connor McMichael, 2 x 2nd and 2 x 3rd

Player 2:
IceDogs acquired: Matt Brassard (NHL Drafted/Unsigned)
IceDogs Traded: 1 x 2nd and 1 x 3rd
Similar Trade:
Oshawa acquired: Nic Mattinen (NHL Drafted/Unsigned)
Oshawa traded: 1 x 2nd and 1 x 3rd

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In comparison to other Top 5-10 scorers traded, OA Sam Miletic trade amounted to a 2nd instead of a 3rd - a slight overpay but no prospect was moved as was the case in some of those other OA deals.

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The Adrian Carbonara deal (an OA enforcer) was duplicated this year when Oshawa acquired Danial Walker for 4th round pick.

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The Ivan Lodnia trade: Did Joey Burke just flat out make a “great” deal or were there extenuating circumstances that fans are not privy too? These type of “great” trades are often a result of an agent, nhl team, parent/player demand (or a panic situation) – that handcuffs a GM and forces a one sided deal.

The Lodnia deal (and some other ohl trades) were NOT brilliant GM trades but rather trades of circumstance – the right team, right player, right time. GMs can’t plan for that type of trade to fall onto their lap – they must be prepared to pay market value.

The notion that Joey Burke overpays (or is not doing a good job) is just not accurate or factual. If a fan “doesn’t like a trade” or “doesn’t like Joey Burke” that is an opinion.

Valuing any of his trades based on facts or opinions are different conversations or discussions.


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[Blacksox]

SELLER:

Nov. 11, 2017
Traded: Graham Knott
For: 2nd - 2021, 3rd - 2017, 3rd - 2019, 4th – 2018; *3rd - 2021, *3rd - 2022.

Jan. 9, 2017
Traded: Chris Paquette
For: Nate McDonald, 2nd - 2017, 2nd - 2018, 2nd - 2021, 2nd - 2020 and 3rd – 2022

August 27, 2018
Traded: Justin McPherson
IceDogs acquired: 3rd – 2020, 3rd – 2022 and a 5th - 2023.

Oct. 2nd, 2018
BAD TRADE: Willy Lochead
IceDogs acquired: 3rd 2024

Nov. 27, 2018
Traded: Liam Ham
IceDogs acquired: 2nd – 2020, 2nd – 2022 and 3rd – 2024

Dec. 4, 2018
Traded: Colton Incze
IceDogs acquired: 4th 2022

August 6, 2019
Traded: OA Matt Phillips
IceDogs acquired: F – J. Doherty and 6th 2021

September 12, 2019
Traded: OA Jacob Paquette
IceDogs acquired: 2020 3rd, 2021 2nd, 3rd, and 5th.

November 1, 2019
Traded: OA Drew Hunter
IceDogs acquired: 2021 4th (Erie)

Jan 6, 2020
Traded: Kyen Sopa, 2022 13th
IceDogs acquired: 2022 2nd, 2023 3rd, 2022 8th

Jan 9, 2020
Traded: Phil Tomasino
IceDogs acquired: D.Gucciardi, 2020 2nd, 2021 2nd, 2022 4th, 2023 2nd, 2023 2nd, 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd, 2024 3rd, 2024 4th.

Jan 9, 2020
Traded: Akil Thomas
IceDogs acquired: C. Butler, 2020 2nd, 2022 2nd, 2022 3rd, 2024 4th


This past season trades of Jacob Paquette, Drew Hunter, Kyen Sopa, Akil Thomas and Phil Tomasino are further examples of the success Joey Burke has had as a seller.


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[strohs]

In your logic you justify the Militec trade because he only slightly overpaid ... which according to your logic doesn’t make him a bad GM...

In my logic ... there was absolutely no need to acquire a player like Militec that year ... did he seriously thing they were a contender that year? If so he’s more clueless than I thought he was. Therefore In my mind he overpaid by wasting precious assets ... so I think that was one of his worst trades he’s ever made, even if, according to your logic, he only slightly overpaid.

IMO That trade has got to be one of the dumbest trades this team will ever make .....

“You gotta know when to hold em and know when to fold em ...”





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[Blacksox]

Originally Posted by strohs

In your logic you justify the Militec trade because he only slightly overpaid ... which according to your logic doesn’t make him a bad GM...

In my logic ... there was absolutely no need to acquire a player like Militec that year ... did he seriously thing they were a contender that year? If so he’s more clueless than I thought he was. Therefore In my mind he overpaid by wasting precious assets ... so I think that was one of his worst trades he’s ever made, even if, according to your logic, he only slightly overpaid.

IMO That trade has got to be one of the dumbest trades this team will ever make .....

“You gotta know when to hold em and know when to fold em ...”
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Strohs, like I said - the fact that "you didn't like the trade" is an opinion and that's fair. Valuing any trade based on facts (did he overpay in comparison to other similar trades) - or an opinion (I didn't like the trade) are two different discussions. In fact, if you recall, I wasn't pleased with the trade either.

But when you review Joey Burke's complete body of work, as a seller and buyer, he has done a good job as a GM.

If I were the GM, I would not have made the Miletic trade - and I would never have traded Lochead for anything less than a 2nd in 2019 or 2020.

Other than those two moves, he has done a great job drafting, identifying talent (e.g., Maksimov), trading for elite talent (at market value), acquiring talent (below market value) and is fantastic at recouping picks (especially getting them in right years).

[fishfan51]

He paid fair value for a trade that shouldn't have been made.

[hockey123]

Originally Posted by fishfan51

He paid fair value for a trade that shouldn't have been made.

Who knows if he had a choice. Playoff dates might have been the mandate handed down.

Just as bad as the Miletic trade were all the deals last year without upgrading in net. With better goal tending they would have at least advanced another round IMO.

Value wise his trades have been okay, with a few great ones mixed in and drafting has been decent at the very least.

At the end of the day he's a way better GM than his brother is a coach IMO. There's no reason why with the 2 lines this team can put together right now they should be as bad as they have been. If they move all the players they should this is going to get really ugly.

[Blacksox]

Originally Posted by fishfan51

He paid fair value for a trade that shouldn't have been made.

That’s fair. It’s an opinion that some share and some don’t.

It’s fairly simple: Facts cant be argued (e.g., Dolphins are 1-7) but an opinions (e.g., Dolphins are better team than their win/loss record would indicate) can be

[retired/sectionJ]

Copied and pasted from part of Hockey123 post::::

Just as bad as the Miletic trade were all the deals last year without upgrading in net. With better goal tending they would have at least advanced another round IMO.

Many a game this season, the same thought has run through my mind. I remember that I thought Tynan was the best goalie in camp last year. Staff loyal to a fault once again..

[hockey123]

Originally Posted by retired/sectionJ

Copied and pasted from part of Hockey123 post::::

Just as bad as the Miletic trade were all the deals last year without upgrading in net. With better goal tending they would have at least advanced another round IMO.

Many a game this season, the same thought has run through my mind. I remember that I thought Tynan was the best goalie in camp last year. Staff loyal to a fault once again..

IMO whether you have the worst starting goalie in the league or the best you need to give the backup a chance to steal the job. For at least the first third of the season the backup needs to play at least once per weekend. If he starts to outplay the starter he should play more. Otherwise why would a backup with any kind of potential consider signing with a team that has a starter in place? Incze outplayed Dhillon most of the year 2 years ago and wasn't given a real shot at starting. Dhillon was an okay starter at best and while trying to plug every hole on the team last year it didn't seem like replacing him was even considered.