Niagara IceDogs 2022-23 (Week 20)

[the dog]

Forwards Klein...Hull...
O'Flaherty have played total of 70 games with icedogs they have 1 goal to show

[dogs777]

Originally Posted by the dog

Forwards Klein...Hull...
O'Flaherty have played total of 70 games with icedogs they have 1 goal to show

I don’t think hull is around next year I think he was just picked up because of all the injuries earlier in the season they needed bodies the other 2 are 4th liners at IMO MAYBE 3rd

[strohs]

Originally Posted by dogs777

I don’t think hull is around next year I think he was just picked up because of all the injuries earlier in the season they needed bodies the other 2 are 4th liners at IMO MAYBE 3rd

As far as I am concerned he was picked up for the simple fact that he is an import

He is essentially useless out there you could easily find an Ontario kid just as terrible as him lol


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[strohs]

Originally Posted by NiceDawg

Gens will have to pay for the brothers to play together. Might be easier for the other team to buy the older sibling.

If Da Dummy ends up with first pick overall you really think he is going to make the Gens overpay for the bro bro ?

Initially they may over pay but then DooDooDummy will overpay for a marginal player coming back the other way I am sure

Kinda like this year


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[NiceDawg]

Originally Posted by strohs

If Da Dummy ends up with first pick overall you really think he is going to make the Gens overpay for the bro bro ?

Initially they may over pay but then DooDooDummy will overpay for a marginal player coming back the other way I am sure

Kinda like this year


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Given that there is no compensatory first pick, anyone they draft has to either report, or you have to be able to squeeze an extra 2nd or two. Which I think puts the market value at 4-5 seconds for a defecting player . Better to draft someone who will report and build the team around them.

[fishfan51]

Originally Posted by NiceDawg

Given that there is no compensatory first pick, anyone they draft has to either report, or you have to be able to squeeze an extra 2nd or two. Which I think puts the market value at 4-5 seconds for a defecting player . Better to draft someone who will report and build the team around them.

And there lies the problem. After what this guy has done to the franchise, would you report? Better yet, if you are the parent of a kid that has top of the first round talent, (which more often than not leads to an NHL career, if developed properly) would you let your kid report to this gong show? Would an agent? Are you going to risk your kids future and career?

So, my guess is.... a handful of top players, their parents/agents say they will not report to Niagara. If drafted they're going NCAA or USHL or any of the other options available. The Dogs settle for the 6th or 7th best talent available. And in classic Joey Burke style, the Dogs say something like "we've watched him all year, we've targeted him all year, this is the player we wanted all along".

The damage this guy has done in a few short months in staggering on many levels.

[NiceDawg]

Originally Posted by fishfan51

So, my guess is.... a handful of top players, their parents/agents say they will not report to Niagara. If drafted they're going NCAA or USHL or any of the other options available.

That is one option, but the second is, they DO report but their contract essentially includes line placement and ice time. So while they would be a third/fourth liner on Team A with Niagara they start off on the top-line and are included in special teams. I have no inside scoop, but I suspect Akil Thomas had something similar in his agreement.

If you are yet another star in a constellation of other stars it is difficult to get recognized. Someone like Kevin He however, on Team A he might not have stood out as much yet on a team like Niagara, he (He) is noticeable in every shift. I guess it is the choice of being a large part of something small or a tiny part of something big.

If I were a head scout/GM, these are the conversations I would be having with players, agents and families. You can anchor a team around one player (can you say Connor McDavid) and go from the basement to the top. Getting that "franchise player" you build on the intangible rewards: top line year one plus special teams, A in year two, C in year three, showcased in the media and in the community, we will market you as our "brand"; you want to be noticed - you will be the face of our team...

[DJBrooks]

This is what happened with Fimis - how did that work out?

Originally Posted by NiceDawg

That is one option, but the second is, they DO report but their contract essentially includes line placement and ice time. So while they would be a third/fourth liner on Team A with Niagara they start off on the top-line and are included in special teams. I have no inside scoop, but I suspect Akil Thomas had something similar in his agreement.

[NiceDawg]

Originally Posted by DJBrooks

This is what happened with Fimis - how did that work out?

I personally never saw the value of that player. Perhaps it was the work of the *#@&$! scouting staff over-selling a player who would report, but he never lived up to the hype. That entire 2020 draft year fizzled.

But in the end, if a player doesn't measure up, do what Niagara did, (a year late) and trade him.

[fishfan51]

Originally Posted by NiceDawg

That is one option, but the second is, they DO report but their contract essentially includes line placement and ice time. So while they would be a third/fourth liner on Team A with Niagara they start off on the top-line and are included in special teams. I have no inside scoop, but I suspect Akil Thomas had something similar in his agreement.

If you are yet another star in a constellation of other stars it is difficult to get recognized. Someone like Kevin He however, on Team A he might not have stood out as much yet on a team like Niagara, he (He) is noticeable in every shift. I guess it is the choice of being a large part of something small or a tiny part of something big.

If I were a head scout/GM, these are the conversations I would be having with players, agents and families. You can anchor a team around one player (can you say Connor McDavid) and go from the basement to the top. Getting that "franchise player" you build on the intangible rewards: top line year one plus special teams, A in year two, C in year three, showcased in the media and in the community, we will market you as our "brand"; you want to be noticed - you will be the face of our team...

Actions speak louder than words. Based on the actions and results at all levels for numerous years from this GM/Owner there's no chance I'm risking my kids future.