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Old 09-26-2016, 12:50 PM
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If you think that's bad... look at barrie.. their last 2 big trades they shipped out 22 picks or somewhere in that range plus a body
And they don't even have a cup to show for it...
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And they don't even have a cup to show for it...
There are no guarantees in sports. If you think you have a shot at winning the cup then you have to take the risk of using up your draft picks to strengthen the team you have. Often you can recoup several of the picks by trading away some veterans in your rebuilding year. One thing is for sure, if you don't try you will never win all the marbles.
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There are no guarantees in sports. If you think you have a shot at winning the cup then you have to take the risk of using up your draft picks to strengthen the team you have. Often you can recoup several of the picks by trading away some veterans in your rebuilding year. One thing is for sure, if you don't try you will never win all the marbles.
I hear that, but when the decision was made we were in the .600 range. We really didn't start winning with regularity until the first round of the playoffs. At the start of the year, everyone expected us to win. At the trade deadline everyone thought we were a bunch of highly skilled under-performers; and at the end of the year most of us were surprised.

Marty went all in and came up short. It sounds as though the Burkes decided that given the talent pool he had to work with he ought to have done better or cut his losses.

...at least we aren't Barrie??
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At some point this season, the Ice Dogs will obtain a second round pick for next spring draft. And hopefully a second round pick as well for the following season.
I am really looking forward to watching games this season where the players actually care about playing unlike, last year's team who played only when they wanted to.
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I hear that, but when the decision was made we were in the .600 range. We really didn't start winning with regularity until the first round of the playoffs. At the start of the year, everyone expected us to win. At the trade deadline everyone thought we were a bunch of highly skilled under-performers; and at the end of the year most of us were surprised.

Marty went all in and came up short. It sounds as though the Burkes decided that given the talent pool he had to work with he ought to have done better or cut his losses.

...at least we aren't Barrie??
Yes the ones who didn't believe they could get there were surprised and did he really come up short the goal of last year was to be in with a shot at going to Red Deer and he did that
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Marty got lucky that in the playoffs the team came together and started winning and we have a conference championship as a result - but it could have just as easily gone the other way and nobody here would have been surprised. Translation: it took until the eleventh hour for any sort of team cohesion to be demonstrated on ice; we mortgaged our future for a Memorial Cup win and fell short.
Did the Ice Dogs really come up short or did they have it taken away from them by a London team - that over that summer acquired for NOTHING - 3 guys who would be drafted 5th, 6th and 19th overall in the NHL draft to go along with a guy drafted in the 3rd pick by the Toronto Maple Leafs in 2014?

If those four players who indicated they were not going to play in the OHL, did exactly what they said they were going to do - the Ice Dogs would very likely be the 2016 OHL champions and perhaps 2016 Memorial Cup champions.

At least Marty tried to bring a championship to Niagara, its better than rolling over and conceding the championship to London.
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In the six years Marty was here, we made it to the conference finals three times and the OHL finals twice. That means that 50% of the time we finished as a top four team and 33% of the time we finished as a top two team. As well in 2014-2015 we lost to the Memorial Cup Champions the Oshawa Generals in the second round but in the second half of the regular season had one of the top records in the league. That's four exceptional seasons out of the six seasons Marty coached here. Marty knew how to build winning teams and I have no problem with a rebuilding season after the six good seasons we had under Marty.

As well, Marty did not mortgage our future. He did not trade away any of our top young players and we are only short seven second or third round draft picks which we can easily get back trading Mantha, Knott, and Haydon.

I don't think many of you realize how lucky we are to have the IceDogs and how many fans would love their OHL team to have the success that the IceDogs have had since moving here.

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in the second half of the regular season had one of the top records in the league. That's four exceptional seasons out of the six seasons Marty coached here.
Interesting math... it is a shame most statistics reflect the entire season and not just the second half. In the 2014-15 season that you touted as "exceptional" we finished third in our Division, and fifth in the conference with a win percentage of 0.574 in the regular (whole) season. This dropped to 0.455 in the playoffs and we finished 6th.
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Did the Ice Dogs really come up short or did they have it taken away from them by a London team - that over that summer acquired for NOTHING - 3 guys who would be drafted 5th, 6th and 19th overall in the NHL draft to go along with a guy drafted in the 3rd pick by the Toronto Maple Leafs in 2014?

If those four players who indicated they were not going to play in the OHL, did exactly what they said they were going to do - the Ice Dogs would very likely be the 2016 OHL champions and perhaps 2016 Memorial Cup champions.

At least Marty tried to bring a championship to Niagara, its better than rolling over and conceding the championship to London.
If you plan on beating the Evil Empire, you have to coach the way they do and attract talent the way they do. Niagara attracted its fair share of talent but did not always land some of the better players or draft accordingly. The financial arguments about London are one very real obstacle but the problems with last year's team and their ability to play together cohesively two games in a row during the regular season had nothing to do with cash.
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Interesting math... it is a shame most statistics reflect the entire season and not just the second half. In the 2014-15 season that you touted as "exceptional" we finished third in our Division, and fifth in the conference with a win percentage of 0.574 in the regular (whole) season. This dropped to 0.455 in the playoffs and we finished 6th.
For me, an exceptional season is anytime we finish well. During the 14-15 season we had a record of 26-6-2 during the 2015 portion of the schedule. Fans were excited, the arena was packed and I think we were the 2nd best team in the Eastern Conference come the playoffs. But if you don't want to include that season as exceptional that is fine. Three exceptional season out of six still places us as one of the top teams in the OHL
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