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View Poll Results: Was acquiring Sam Miletic the right move?
YES - wait and see, in Joey we trust! 13 38.24%
NO - short term gain, long term pain! 21 61.76%
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:10 PM
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Just gonna throw it out there... everyone is upset about the 2018 second round pick we gave up.... matt and dj's facebook pointed out that that pick will do nothing to help us with our go for it year next year.... the pick will have already been used and lets all be honest here is a 2nd round rookie really in the big picture of a go for it year... i highly doubt it therefore he would just be watching from the press box.. so y not spend it and bring someone in with it.. i also get that we could have gotten someone that will be here next year as well but i truly beleive that Joey made the best deal available to him


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a second round rookie will not contribute to a championship next year, as a roster player, yes, I agree with that. However, that player could become a piece of a larger deal to acquire an actual player who will contribute to a championship next year.

Wow can’t believe people still can’t understand that concept lol


But good ol Joey used The pick to acquire Militec in a year where we have no realistic chance to win a championship. Therefore, inefficient use of an asset .....

When everyone is saying at the deadline next year that the Dogs didn’t do enough to win it all ... it will partly be because they wasted valuable assets this year to pick up Militec to try and win a division lol. (Which isn’t happening either BTW)

I seriously need a drink ....


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Old 01-10-2018, 09:25 PM
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*knocks head against brick wall*

I REPEAT

a second round rookie will not contribute to a championship next year, as a roster player, yes, I agree with that. However, that player could become a piece of a larger deal to acquire an actual player who will contribute to a championship next year.

Wow can’t believe people still can’t understand that concept lol


But good ol Joey used The pick to acquire Militec in a year where we have no realistic chance to win a championship. Therefore, inefficient use of an asset .....

When everyone is saying at the deadline next year that the Dogs didn’t do enough to win it all ... it will partly be because they wasted valuable assets this year to pick up Militec to try and win a division lol. (Which isn’t happening either BTW)

I seriously need a drink ....


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Agree 100%
Thank you, very well said!!
Me too, need a drink.
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:25 PM
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The bad part about the trade is the issue is only half resolved this year and the other half next year. Lot's of people have had lots to say and time will tell. The good part is the poll shows who voted what side. Bragging rights May of 2019
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:26 PM
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*knocks head against brick wall*

I REPEAT

a second round rookie will not contribute to a championship next year, as a roster player, yes, I agree with that. However, that player could become a piece of a larger deal to acquire an actual player who will contribute to a championship next year.

Wow can’t believe people still can’t understand that concept lol


But good ol Joey used The pick to acquire Militec in a year where we have no realistic chance to win a championship. Therefore, inefficient use of an asset .....

When everyone is saying at the deadline next year that the Dogs didn’t do enough to win it all ... it will partly be because they wasted valuable assets this year to pick up Militec to try and win a division lol. (Which isn’t happening either BTW)

I seriously need a drink ....


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I get the damn concept i just dont agree with most of you... a second round rookie aint gonna fetch to pick up someone who will help win a championship.. further more i didnt realize a second round rookie could be traded in his draft year i thought it was only first rounders .. if thats the case it still dont change how i feel aboutbthis trade
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Just gonna throw it out there... everyone is upset about the 2018 second round pick we gave up.... matt and dj's facebook pointed out that that pick will do nothing to help us with our go for it year next year.... the pick will have already been used and lets all be honest here is a 2nd round rookie really in the big picture of a go for it year... i highly doubt it therefore he would just be watching from the press box.. so y not spend it and bring someone in with it.. i also get that we could have gotten someone that will be here next year as well but i truly beleive that Joey made the best deal available to him
Trading that 2nd round pick in 2018, is the worst part of the Sam Miletic deal.

The trading of that pick will absolutely 100% affect the Ice Dogs ability to go for it next year. A drafted 2nd round player, who emerges as a potential star (e.g., Billy Constantinou) is worth so much more than the 2nd round pick itself.

Having a first year player establish himself as future OHL star is the only way you can acquire one of the big names at the trade deadline.

For example, this year, they could have used Billy Contantinou to acquire:

Max Jones
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- KGN 3 2021
- KGN 2 2023

Robert Thomas
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- HAM 2 2021
MISS 2 2020* conditional on Thomas returning
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HAM 2 2025* conditional on Thomas returning
HAM 2 2026* conditional on Thomas returning


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Trading that 2nd round pick in 2018, is the worst part of the Sam Miletic deal.

The trading of that pick will absolutely 100% affect the Ice Dogs ability to go for it next year. A drafted 2nd round player, who emerges as a potential star (e.g., Billy Constantinou) is worth so much more than the 2nd round pick itself.

Having a first year player establish himself as future OHL star is the only way you can acquire one of the big names at the trade deadline.

For example, this year, they could have used Billy Contantinou to acquire:

Max Jones
<>Sergey Popov
- KGN 3 2021
- KGN 2 2023

Robert Thomas
<>HAM Connor McMichael
- HAM 2 2021
MISS 2 2020* conditional on Thomas returning
HAM 3 2022* conditional on Thomas returning
HAM 2 2025* conditional on Thomas returning
HAM 2 2026* conditional on Thomas returning


Logan Brown
Austin McEneny

<>KIT Grayson Ladd
-SAG 2 2018
-SAG 3 2018
-KGN 2 2019
-KIT 5 2019
Except for the fact that they could not trade Billy C .... my understanding is that only first rounders can be traded during a small window... 2nd and 3rd's cant till next year and well that option is still there
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"the option is still there".
I agree with you on that. Billy Constantinou would probably bring back a good return at next years trade deadline, but without a 2nd round pick in 2018 to replace that assest, I think the Ice Dogs would be very reluctant to include him in any "go for it" trade, but you never know I guess.
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"the option is still there".
I agree with you on that. Billy Constantinou would probably bring back a good return at next years trade deadline, but without a 2nd round pick in 2018 to replace that assest, I think the Ice Dogs would be very reluctant to include him in any "go for it" trade, but you never know I guess.
Even with a second I still don’t think they’d include him
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Except for the fact that they could not trade Billy C .... my understanding is that only first rounders can be traded during a small window... 2nd and 3rd's cant till next year and well that option is still there
That is the likely consequence of acquiring Miletic, next year's first rounder will be traded near the deadline for picks or as part of a deal for a player. Niagara will need to develop and showcase that first rounder as a superstar to get full value.
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That is the likely consequence of acquiring Miletic, next year's first rounder will be traded near the deadline for picks or as part of a deal for a player. Niagara will need to develop and showcase that first rounder as a superstar to get full value.
Should they draft a player in the first round that won't report? Trade the rights for a bunch of picks, flip the picks at the deadline that will help them for next years run and end up with 2 1st round picks the following year to start the rebuild. Hmmmm
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