Niagara IceDogs Fan Forum !  

Search:     Photos: 23,839    Downloads: 2,747,821   Msgs Posted: 138,412   Thread Views: 43,904,438   Online Now: 109
Go Back   Niagara IceDogs Fan Forum ! > NIAGARA ICEDOGS Fan Forums > Niagara IceDogs - Fan Talk & News

Notices

Niagara IceDogs - Fan Talk & News Discussions posted by the fans about the Niagara IceDogs - talk about games, players, fights, news, etc.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-06-2022, 01:26 PM
the dog the dog is offline
Top Prospect
 

Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,306
Thanks: 812
Thanked 585 Times in 359 Posts
the dog has a reputation beyond reputethe dog has a reputation beyond reputethe dog has a reputation beyond reputethe dog has a reputation beyond reputethe dog has a reputation beyond reputethe dog has a reputation beyond reputethe dog has a reputation beyond reputethe dog has a reputation beyond reputethe dog has a reputation beyond reputethe dog has a reputation beyond reputethe dog has a reputation beyond repute
Default OHL findings Niagara Ice Dogs

https://ontariohockeyleague.com/arti...gs-hockey-club
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to the dog For This Useful Post:
  #2  
Old 04-06-2022, 01:32 PM
three dog night three dog night is offline
All Star
 

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: st.catharines Section A Row F Seat 9
Posts: 6,323
Thanks: 2,978
Thanked 1,283 Times in 872 Posts
three dog night is absolutely magnificent!three dog night is absolutely magnificent!three dog night is absolutely magnificent!three dog night is absolutely magnificent!three dog night is absolutely magnificent!three dog night is absolutely magnificent!three dog night is absolutely magnificent!three dog night is absolutely magnificent!three dog night is absolutely magnificent!three dog night is absolutely magnificent!three dog night is absolutely magnificent!
Default

Not surprised by Billy surprise by Joey involvement.

Last edited by three dog night; 04-06-2022 at 01:35 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-06-2022, 01:48 PM
strohs's Avatar
strohs strohs is offline
Curmudgeon
 

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: St. Catharines
Posts: 4,938
Thanks: 143
Thanked 2,407 Times in 1,375 Posts
strohs is absolutely magnificent!strohs is absolutely magnificent!strohs is absolutely magnificent!strohs is absolutely magnificent!strohs is absolutely magnificent!strohs is absolutely magnificent!strohs is absolutely magnificent!strohs is absolutely magnificent!strohs is absolutely magnificent!strohs is absolutely magnificent!strohs is absolutely magnificent!
Default OHL findings Niagara Ice Dogs

I do not mean to kick on people when they are down so believe me I am biting my tongue BIG TIME.

It appears that they did not learn anything from the OHLs prior investigation into the team?

Wow. I suspected one of them (BB) would be found guilty of whatever offense it was, I am honestly just surprised by the lack of intelligence overall and that BOTH of them are in trouble.

So I guess the boys dont have jobs anymore?
Do the boys pay Sr. Back for the fine?

It is a blessing in disguise that they are both out but now what? Does Daddy sell the team? Part of me thinks this is the final nail in the coffin of the Burke ownership here. Hopefully I am wrong we have a lot to be thankful for them. Would be a shame to see them flame out like this.

I edited this post as a CKTB news release leads the reader to believe that it was for derogatory comments made about women. Wow

Embarrassing.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to strohs For This Useful Post:
  #4  
Old 04-06-2022, 02:03 PM
fishfan51's Avatar
fishfan51 fishfan51 is offline
Resident OHL Expert
 

Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,257
Thanks: 284
Thanked 3,258 Times in 1,386 Posts
fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!
Default

Wonder if mom and dad are proud.

Completely embarrassing.

Far cry from their anti bullying campaign from a few years ago.
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to fishfan51 For This Useful Post:
  #5  
Old 04-06-2022, 02:07 PM
NiceDawg's Avatar
NiceDawg NiceDawg is offline
Grump
 

Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 6,168
Thanks: 1,573
Thanked 3,870 Times in 2,148 Posts
NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by strohs View Post
It is a blessing in disguise that they are both out but now what? Does Daddy sell the team? Part of me thinks this is the final nail in the coffin of the Burke ownership here. Hopefully I am wrong we have a lot to be thankful for them. Would be a shame to see them flame out like this.

Embarrassing.
It has been a mixed bag of brilliance and defeat. Unifying Niagara's hockey scene around a St. Catharines-based team was genius. The Burkes brought an exciting product to the area and then transformed it into a juggernaut within the OHL. Financially and in the community, the IceDogs have done well.

On the other hand, family are expensive. You can't fire your family, you can only hope that they live up to your expectations and deliver. Skilled positions within a hockey club are attained through progressive responsibility and a proven track record. If you are going to make it as a coach or a GM in the world of junior hockey, you have to compete, you have to keep getting better every year. Sadly, if you are given the job without the diploma earned through the school of hard knocks, and with no fear of being dismissed, it is easy to believe you have earned it.

Lastly, politics is a tough game to play. In hockey, there is always a player who doesn't measure up and will take whatever avenue is available to succeed anyhow, or drag you down on their way out. This is an easy game for most successful politicians to play, maintain your ethics and transparency, take the high road, and never believe your own positive press. If you anticipate that everyone is looking for a way to topple you from your perch you'll be right often enough to justify a careful approach.

I have a lot of respect for Bill Burke Sr. I admire his approach and I respect him as a person, a businessman, a member of the community, and as a father. I do believe he tried to combine all of those elements together in one hockey club, and I feel sorry for him that his sons have let him down. I hope he comes to a workable solution to continue the Niagara IceDogs under his ownership, with a new HC and GM, or that he finds a suitable new owner, makes a mint off the sale of the team and is successful in his next venture.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to NiceDawg For This Useful Post:
  #6  
Old 04-06-2022, 02:33 PM
fishfan51's Avatar
fishfan51 fishfan51 is offline
Resident OHL Expert
 

Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,257
Thanks: 284
Thanked 3,258 Times in 1,386 Posts
fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!fishfan51 is absolutely magnificent!
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NiceDawg View Post
It has been a mixed bag of brilliance and defeat. Unifying Niagara's hockey scene around a St. Catharines-based team was genius. The Burkes brought an exciting product to the area and then transformed it into a juggernaut within the OHL. Financially and in the community, the IceDogs have done well.

On the other hand, family are expensive. You can't fire your family, you can only hope that they live up to your expectations and deliver. Skilled positions within a hockey club are attained through progressive responsibility and a proven track record. If you are going to make it as a coach or a GM in the world of junior hockey, you have to compete, you have to keep getting better every year. Sadly, if you are given the job without the diploma earned through the school of hard knocks, and with no fear of being dismissed, it is easy to believe you have earned it.

Lastly, politics is a tough game to play. In hockey, there is always a player who doesn't measure up and will take whatever avenue is available to succeed anyhow, or drag you down on their way out. This is an easy game for most successful politicians to play, maintain your ethics and transparency, take the high road, and never believe your own positive press. If you anticipate that everyone is looking for a way to topple you from your perch you'll be right often enough to justify a careful approach.

I have a lot of respect for Bill Burke Sr. I admire his approach and I respect him as a person, a businessman, a member of the community, and as a father. I do believe he tried to combine all of those elements together in one hockey club, and I feel sorry for him that his sons have let him down. I hope he comes to a workable solution to continue the Niagara IceDogs under his ownership, with a new HC and GM, or that he finds a suitable new owner, makes a mint off the sale of the team and is successful in his next venture.
I agree with this. However, I'm also on the other side of it. This team is stained in the eyes of the league and other organizations and deservedly so. It needs new ownership to get out from under this. Between getting caught "not paying players" and this and the way the head scout behaves, this organization is heading down the same dysfunctional road as the Flint Firebirds.

The Burkes, brought junior hockey back to Niagara. They did an amazing job in uniting the region. They built a great fanbase, got a new arena built (the jewel of St.Catharines IMO). They've done so much for the city/region. But, unfortunately the bad has outweighed the good by a large margin lately. It's time to move on and sell.
Reply With Quote
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to fishfan51 For This Useful Post:
  #7  
Old 04-06-2022, 03:57 PM
Dogs Enthusiast 104 Dogs Enthusiast 104 is offline
Big League
 

Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: St. Catharines
Posts: 1,997
Thanks: 422
Thanked 888 Times in 589 Posts
Dogs Enthusiast 104 has a reputation beyond reputeDogs Enthusiast 104 has a reputation beyond reputeDogs Enthusiast 104 has a reputation beyond reputeDogs Enthusiast 104 has a reputation beyond reputeDogs Enthusiast 104 has a reputation beyond reputeDogs Enthusiast 104 has a reputation beyond reputeDogs Enthusiast 104 has a reputation beyond reputeDogs Enthusiast 104 has a reputation beyond reputeDogs Enthusiast 104 has a reputation beyond reputeDogs Enthusiast 104 has a reputation beyond reputeDogs Enthusiast 104 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Guessing a lot of people are somewhat happy.

Maybe the Doug Hamilton rumour was part of this.

Does anyone know if they are trying to appeal the decision or is this the end of it?
__________________
-----------------------------------------------------------
Cheering the hardest in Sec. 104.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-06-2022, 04:07 PM
retired/sectionJ's Avatar
retired/sectionJ retired/sectionJ is online now
Team Captain
 

Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Welland
Posts: 4,367
Thanks: 2,817
Thanked 2,174 Times in 1,379 Posts
retired/sectionJ is absolutely magnificent!retired/sectionJ is absolutely magnificent!retired/sectionJ is absolutely magnificent!retired/sectionJ is absolutely magnificent!retired/sectionJ is absolutely magnificent!retired/sectionJ is absolutely magnificent!retired/sectionJ is absolutely magnificent!retired/sectionJ is absolutely magnificent!retired/sectionJ is absolutely magnificent!retired/sectionJ is absolutely magnificent!retired/sectionJ is absolutely magnificent!
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogs Enthusiast 104 View Post
Guessing a lot of people are somewhat happy.

Maybe the Doug Hamilton rumour was part of this.

Does anyone know if they are trying to appeal the decision or is this the end of it?
In my opinion, this is a done deal.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-06-2022, 05:13 PM
NiceDawg's Avatar
NiceDawg NiceDawg is offline
Grump
 

Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 6,168
Thanks: 1,573
Thanked 3,870 Times in 2,148 Posts
NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!NiceDawg is absolutely magnificent!
Default

Based on the contents of the chat, it would be impossible to argue it did not violate OHL policy.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to NiceDawg For This Useful Post:
  #10  
Old 04-06-2022, 05:19 PM
Paws and Reflect Paws and Reflect is offline
4th Line
 

Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 89
Thanks: 35
Thanked 82 Times in 40 Posts
Paws and Reflect is just really nicePaws and Reflect is just really nicePaws and Reflect is just really nicePaws and Reflect is just really nicePaws and Reflect is just really nice
Default OHL ruling

As a former 10 year seasons ticket holder for our Niagara IceDogs I am disappointed that all the good work and regional support the Burkes have created will now be overshadowed by these findings. It has become increasing easy these days with digital media and accessibility that these types of situations are being revealed more frequently. We just have to look back several months to then coach John Gruden of the Las Vegas Raiders of the NFL being suspended and fired after inflammatory emails that had been sent several years ago. Everything said and printed has a digital footprint that remains for a very long time. As far as what lies ahead for our team that is definitely fodder for conversation. Bill Burke Sr. could conceivably decide to take on the General Managers job on paper and still effectively have Joey endorse and provide consultation. How could you ever police that? I hope the Ice Dogs go in a different direction and hire a coach and general manager that have the personal experience and even an NHL pedigree behind there name so that the Ice Dogs can once again get some quality players and become strong contenders once again. Everyone likes a good comeback story, lets hope this bump in the road is just a minor blip that we can overcome.
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Paws and Reflect For This Useful Post:
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
(c) IceDogFans.com, 2007-2019