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Old 11-16-2016, 01:00 AM
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We can agree to disagree. It is really about the perceived pie and how it should be split. Be transparent and let's see where the $$$$ will fall
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:24 AM
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Never say never.

Various employers charge employees for uniforms.

In construction you often have to pay for your own boots, outerwear.

Apprentices in various trades often have to pay for their own tools.

How about a gym to work out at? Or access to a training staff? Not many employers provide you with free gym memberships or access to free health professional services whenever you need it?

Oh and how about all of that icetime they get? Practices almost daily? Last time I checked it wasn't free to rent ice time ...
This is a very interesting and historical development for Junior hockey. It's a very slippery slope once you enter into this amateur/professional debate at the junior hockey level. If teams are mandated by law to pay an hourly wage and the teams counter with additional charges to the players,,, I can see the NCAA and European options for these talented players becoming more in play. Lets face it ultimately the best players are going to reach the NHL regardless of which developmental route they take and I think the CHL would be shooting themselves in their collective feet if they didn't at least entertain some type of compensation. If you think about it, these post secondary educational packages have been added to Keep the players from going the NCAA route in the first place. I personally feel the players should receive some compensation.... I think we already know there are some teams providing additional enticements to players. Should be very interesting.
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:47 AM
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Can always go the other way and not pay them at all. It would solve the NCAA issue because scholarship eligibility would no longer be an issue.
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Old 11-16-2016, 05:34 PM
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Can always go the other way and not pay them at all. It would solve the NCAA issue because scholarship eligibility would no longer be an issue.
Actually the NCAA eligibilty has nothing to do with the weekly stipend. There are players playing in the OHL that are signed to NHL contracts. In the eyes of the NCAA, that makes the OHL/CHL a professional league. Once a player appears on a OHL/CHL game sheet they have been deemed to play in a professional league and are no longer NCAA eligible. Although the $50 or so they receive would also make them ineligible, doing away with that wouldn't change the NCAA's perception of being a pro league.
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Old 11-16-2016, 05:38 PM
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I think the CHL would be shooting themselves in their collective feet if they didn't at least entertain some type of compensation.
For those inclined to go for post-secondary education, the prospect of cash now and education later the CHL is attractive. For those who aren't contemplating college or university, the CHL is the best option. Also, for those who like the limelight or the pro-style schedule and attention, the CHL wins again, so it is not an complete slam dunk.

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I personally feel the players should receive some compensation.... I think we already know there are some teams providing additional enticements to players. Should be very interesting.
I think this is what it is going to boil down to - the players receiving a larger piece of the pie.

You can factor in equipment, travel, meals, accommodation, and wear and tear on the mascot costume - but bottom line franchises are profitable. I think you will see something akin to the Standard Player Contract in the NHL, just at a much lower level.

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but bottom line franchises are profitable.
Some are profitable, some are not. Consider the Kitchener Rangers. Last season they had revenue of over $6.4 million but made a profit of only $163,498, and that was including $638,194 earned from playoff revenues. Granted, the team did donate $370,000 to community organizations. However, the Rangers had the second highest attendance in the league at over 7,000 per game.

I think that some of you believe that OHL teams are rolling in the dough but that is not the case. It costs a lot to run these teams and the scholarship packages are very expensive.

If a team has 23 players and those players make minimum wage at $11.40/hr for 40 hours a week and 26 weeks a year, that is an additional $273,000 not including all the payroll taxes. A lot of teams that are profitable could not afford this, never mind the teams that aren't profitable.

If it is ruled that teams must pay their players, either the OHL teams will drop the scholarships (which would not be good for the players and would likely lead to more players choosing the NCAA option) or ticket prices would need to be increased (which would hurt the fans).
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Either way it's a terrible idea.. but if the players want to push to be paid it should be them that takes the hit somewhere along the line not the fan that in a actuality is spending the money to pay said wages
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Old 11-17-2016, 12:25 AM
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Some are profitable, some are not. Consider the Kitchener Rangers. Last season they had revenue of over $6.4 million but made a profit of only $163,498, and that was including $638,194 earned from playoff revenues. Granted, the team did donate $370,000 to community organizations. However, the Rangers had the second highest attendance in the league at over 7,000 per game.

I think that some of you believe that OHL teams are rolling in the dough but that is not the case. It costs a lot to run these teams and the scholarship packages are very expensive.

If a team has 23 players and those players make minimum wage at $11.40/hr for 40 hours a week and 26 weeks a year, that is an additional $273,000 not including all the payroll taxes. A lot of teams that are profitable could not afford this, never mind the teams that aren't profitable.

If it is ruled that teams must pay their players, either the OHL teams will drop the scholarships (which would not be good for the players and would likely lead to more players choosing the NCAA option) or ticket prices would need to be increased (which would hurt the fans).
If they honestly thought they could bring in more revenue by raising ticket prices it would already be done.
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Old 11-17-2016, 11:07 AM
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So really the Rangers made $533,498.

Are their financial records available online? If so where I'd love to see them. Maybe I'll try google


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Old 11-17-2016, 06:14 PM
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They are owned by the City of Kitchener so I would assume there is a report to council someplace..?
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