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Old 02-09-2017, 05:07 PM
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This might destroy junior hockey
Just the opposite, it might be the catalyst to enhance it. Eliminate the "friends and family" draft rounds (to say nothing about this second chance draft), be able to run four competitive lines, have teams that can compete against the traditional leaders, and enhance the skill level associated with OHL hockey.

NHL players don't pay for their own sticks or equipment or travel, why would OHL teams enforce that? Sounds more like fear mongering. I suspect a salary range with most of the trappings of the current arrangement would be the result; including the ability to waive the educational piece and take a cash payout instead. Billets may decide to get a bigger piece of the pie, which could then pave the way for more of an institutional residence.
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Old 02-11-2017, 02:43 PM
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It can't be team 6. The IceDogs have only played 2 years at the MC and team 6 has revenue of over 3 million in years 2014, 2015 and 2016 after only having revenue of 1.1 million in 2013. I would guess team 6 is Erie as they spiked in attendance from the 12-13 season to the 13-14 season.
Who is your pick for Niagara? Your argument makes sense!
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Who is your pick for Niagara? Your argument makes sense!
I would guess team 9 based upon their revenue.
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I can see it both ways. Teams ARE charging money to allow people to watch the players. So teams ARE getting money in return for the players services. Therefore they are employees.

But by that line of thinking, every person interviewed on the radio, newspaper, or on TV, is also an employee - since the station is making money on that broadcast via advertising. So any person being used by an entity that makes money off it, could be deemed an employee, and be owed a minimal charge.

Servers in bars and restaurants do have a minimum wage DIFFERENT from most other workers, due to their work environment.

The only way I see this working is for all provincial (and the American States of those teams) passing legislation that deems sport players unique, and state that it is NOT employment. As soon as it's no longer considered employment, it doesn't go under labor law.

But unless all the provinces create a clause saying sports players are not employees - at ANY level, then I could say any player under contract with a team, that is charging money for people to watch that player, could very easily be deemed an employee of that company.

AND THIS WOULD BE NEAR IMPOSSIBLE *NOT* TO BE RE-RETROACTIVE! If they are now, and always HAVE been employees, you're going to have ONE HELL of a lot of ex-players getting a lawyer (or a massive class-action suit) demanding back-pay.

AND... since labor law is done at the provincial level and not federal, every province is going to have to do this individually: a high Ontario court cannot pass a judgement that takes effect anywhere outside Ontario.

What a frickin MESS!

Secondly... bye-bye scholarships. You think any team that right now is giving out post-secondary scholarships out of the goodness of their hearts is going to feel so generous after the players are demanding being paid an hourly rate?

And how do you determine how many hours the players have worked? Punch cards in all the buildings? What about extra-curricular activities the players do?

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Two words: annual salary.
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Secondly... bye-bye scholarships. You think any team that right now is giving out post-secondary scholarships out of the goodness of their hearts is going to feel so generous after the players are demanding being paid an hourly rate?
They didn't give out scholarships out of the goodness of their hearts and they weren't being generous. The CHL doesn't just give away money without a self serving reason.

In this case the reason is the NCAA. The CHL starting paying for schooling once more and more top tier junior players started going the NCAA route. The CHL then and only then started the scholarship program to keep and attract the best junior players.

The CHL might threaten with pulling the scholarship program if the minimum wage thing goes through, but it's the last thing they want to do, as more players will start heading States side again.
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Ask any new university grad working in an intern role in the GTA how business demands slave labour, long hours, and limited pay under the guise of "training" and the word is salary. Players will get signed to an annual salary ranging from entry level to a gold plan (and a cap). Some clubs will fold, most won't and life will go on.
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They didn't give out scholarships out of the goodness of their hearts and they weren't being generous.
My point being that if they're forced to pay a wage then chances are they're not going to be giving the players a paycheque AND a scholarship. Most teams just don't have the funds.

But if they pay a wage, then the players essentially become bonafide pros (albeit low paid ones). But then who's to stop the Londons of the league from paying $20/hr instead of minimum wage. It'll take away any parity that was "supposed" to be there.
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My point being that if they're forced to pay a wage then chances are they're not going to be giving the players a paycheque AND a scholarship. Most teams just don't have the funds.

But if they pay a wage, then the players essentially become bonafide pros (albeit low paid ones). But then who's to stop the Londons of the league from paying $20/hr instead of minimum wage. It'll take away any parity that was "supposed" to be there.
There are rules in place to prevent OHL teams from paying players already
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Ask any new university grad working in an intern role in the GTA how business demands slave labour, long hours, and limited pay under the guise of "training" and the word is salary. Players will get signed to an annual salary ranging from entry level to a gold plan (and a cap). Some clubs will fold, most won't and life will go on.
I think as soon as the courts allow the players to be paid as a worker, the big teams are going to open the floodgates and offer everything they have to potential players. Small-market teams will remain at the bottom of the standings, attendance will dry up, and then so will the team.

If they rule that players are employees (and therefore would become professionals), the league would have to get together and make sure a strict cap is in place so that half the teams don't dry up and die.

... I wonder if the Falcons will demand a wage now too ...
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