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Old 10-13-2007, 09:57 PM
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When this team goes deep into the playoffs then the fans will come for many years. This is when the hard core fans can rub it in their noses and say "I TOLD U SO". I am not worried.
Don't you worry Poochy. When I get my chance to rub it in, they're gonna get it will all barrels loaded.
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Don't you worry Poochy. When I get my chance to rub it in, they're gonna get it will all barrels loaded.
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Remember when OHL hockey was popular most of the region was working.
Some of the best hockey ever was played in the Jack and Memorial arena.
I see people at the games leaving to get to thier cars so they can beat traffic.
Me im hardcore I stay till most of the fans are gone.
We live in different times people are in a rush, want everything for nothing and couldn't care less about tomorrow.
Some people want a brand new arena but won't support it or a team.
Some people don't have the time because they will miss their favorite TV show.
Some people think the drive is to far.
Some people think prices are to high.
Some people want to park inside the arena right next to their seat.

I for one am not Some people I am a BIG DOG and will be there to support the team and to bring as many people to the game as I can (win or loose).
Wait till the band wagon jumpers come on board fair weather fans.

One thing I would like to do is buy a section of 8 seats so I can bring my chairs from home.
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Glad to see that this has opened up some eyes...exactly why I keep complaining about our attendance...with this team, there is no excuse why we are not selling out AT LEAST the seats (2800) for every game....perhaps the late June arrival has something to do with it...although, I would have a hard time believing that a lot of people in Niagara still don't know the OHL is back..

Perhaps we simply are not a hockey town?
Hehe, that's one possibility! But I say we *are* a hockey town and people just won't put up with the arena/location/parking.

I mean when you're walking around town or are in line somewhere, how many times do you see hockey clothes on people. Leaf shirts, hats, etc... I think there's a huge amount of hockey fans in the area. The OHL has been away so long I think people just don't know that the OHL is great hockey. The ignorant people just think "it's kids playing, that's like all-star or Falcon's hockey". Not realizing these guys are the breeding ground for the NHL! I should set up a poll and see what everyone thinks the reason is we're 17th in attendance #s and like 10th in attendance %.

IF we can get the list of % of population attending games, then we'll see the *real* ranking. Call it the "hockey town index" number.
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thats right and thats why no team in this city has or ever will last beyond two years. Even the diehards dont make everygame.2500 maybe but 2018 no way, i dont care how many sweaters we sell. you watch im thinkin less then 2000 on sunday, anyone care to wager?...lol i hope im wrong.
And everyone says the 2nd half of the season is better. I beg to differ - you think more people are going to want to wander around those side streets when it's -10, wind howling, and ice everywhere?

We'll let the poll show what everyone thinks. Someone just needs to figure out the "Hockey Town Index" for that list first. I'm too busy at the moment. Maybe tomorrow if nobody does it.
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Sounds like a good idea, never said st kitts was not a hockey town.
But a lot of factors come into play, time is a big issue.
Also the lack of press I gave Bill & Denise a couple of Ideas for down the road but that's up to them.
But a lot of people right now can say I seen him when he was still a junior.
I have seen a lot of OHL hockey right back to the 60's in Niagara Falls.
I lived 300 ft away from the arena also traveled to st kitts for the odd game.
Seen a lot of NHL games and I still think OHL has the best bang.
Like I said I have season tickets and give them out or bring someone who likes hockey to the games ever chance I get.
I think as time goes on you will see more advertising and promotional stuff happening.
My company is working on putting some stuff with the dogs next year (very good prizes) and helping to promote the team across the region and not just in town.
Every time I bring a company owner to a game i tell them why not buy some season tickets, they make good giveaways to employees and customers. Next year I will have my 8 seats maybe I will make my own little box.
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Seeing as I don't think this term has been used before, ICEDOGFANS.com is taking ownership of the term "Hockey Town Index" (HTI)

The following are the OHL hockey towns listed from towns that like hockey the most (at the top) to the ones that just don't care (at the bottom).

The HTI was derived from taking the average # of people that show up to a game (avg. attendance) and dividing it into that town's population. So it shows what % of the population is coming out to the games.

NOTE: Sudbury's #'s will be way off since they only played one game at home and it was of course their home opener.
NOTE: London SHOULD be at the top because they simply just can't fit more people into the 9000 seat arena - their at full capacity. The HTI only works if attendance is below 100% because when an arena is selling out it's impossible to judge how many people WANT to go but can't get in. A better way might be to multiple the HTI by the capacity % which might take arena size into the matter a bit more. This would mean HTI = population / avg. attendance x100 x capacity %. That way arenas with near full capacity would be able to keep most of their HTI score.

City/Town Populations / Avg. Attendance :
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London - 352,395 / 9060
Ottawa - 812,129 / 7010
Kitchener - 204,668 / 5803
Sudbury (Greater Area) - 157,857 / 4725
Erie - 103,717 / 4616
Sault St. Marie - 74,948 / 4547
Oshawa - 141,590 / 4064
Guelph - 114,943 / 3564
Saginaw - 61,799 / 3534
Saginaw - 61,799 / 3534
Barrie - 128,430 / 3423
Sarnia - 71,419 / 3367
Windsor - 216,473/ 3043
Peterborough - 74,898 / 2875
Plymouth(Detroit) - 9,022 / 2675
Belleville - 48,821 / 2565
Brampton - 433,806 / 2398
Niagara (St.Kitts) - 131.989 / 2361
Owen Sound - 21753 / 2221
Kingston - 117,207 / 2037
Mississauga - 668,549 / 1874

HOCKEY TOWN INDEX:
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01 - 29.65 - Plymouth
02 - 10.21 - Owen Sound
03 - 6.07 - Sault St. Marie
04 - 5.72 - Saginaw
05 - 5.25 - Belleville
06 - 4.71 - Sarnia
07 - 4.45 - Erie
08 - 3.84 - Peterborough
09 - 3.10 - Guelph
10 - 2.99 - Sudbury
11 - 2.87 - Oshawa
12 - 2.84 - Kitchener
13 - 2.67 - Barrie
14 - 2.57 - London
15 - 1.79 - Niagara
16 - 1.74 - Kingston
17 - 1.41 - Windsor
18 - 0.86 - Ottawa
19 - 0.55 - Brampton
20 - 0.28 - Mississauga
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Ahhhhh yes, the Hockey Town Index (H.T.I.), I like it! lol

I found a better population figure to use for Plymouth. They play in Plymouth Township, MI. As per the 2000 US Census, the population in Plymouth Township was 27,798. So this is the figure that I am going to use for the H.T.I.

Thanks for digging out the rest of the population totals...I am simply going to rely on your research in that area, and put that figure into my spreadsheet.

Finally, I have taken your comments into consideration about London...I agree, any team who can't sell out more tickets because they are at or near full capacity already, deserves special H.T.I. consideration.

So, when attendance capacity exceeds 95%, a special factor will be used to calculate the H.T.I.

Basic H.T.I. calculated as follows:

(average attendance * capacity %) / city population

Bonus H.T.I. (where capacity > 95%), calculated as follows:

(average attendance * capacity % * 3) / city population

Basically, this puts London to the top of the H.T.I., where they belong.

I think too, say, if the Sault was to attain a 95% capacity, I think, they would have a higher H.T.I. than London, which is probably fair, since their city is much smaller.

Anyways, may tweak this throughout the year, when I enter the attendance figures for tonights game, I will repost.

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The latest instalment..any other suggestions, feel free to suggest them!

OHL ATTENDANCE (as of Saturday October 13, 2007)

RANKTEAMGAMESTOTALAVERAGECAPACITYPOP.H.T.I.
1London436,240 9,060 99.56%352,395 7.6790
2Owen Sound511,441 2,288 65.37%21,753 6.8757
3Plymouth38,024 2,675 59.44%27,798 5.7199
4Sault Ste. Marie418,186 4,547 90.94%74,948 5.5172
5Belleville512,824 2,565 78.75%48,821 4.1374
6Saginaw414,459 3,615 65.41%61,799 3.8262
7Erie312,958 4,319 78.53%103,717 3.2702
8Sarnia620,085 3,348 64.38%71,419 3.0180
9Peterborough411,500 2,875 77.10%74,898 2.9595
10Kitchener529,017 5,803 90.67%204,668 2.5708
11Guelph517,820 3,564 71.55%114,943 2.2185
12Sudbury28,887 4,444 77.31%157,857 2.1764
13Barrie413,691 3,423 81.60%128,430 2.1749
14Oshawa416,257 4,064 72.10%141,590 2.0695
15Niagara614,165 2,361 76.16%131,989 1.3623
16Kingston510,187 2,037 61.73%117,207 1.0728
17Windsor515,215 3,043 69.16%216,473 0.9722
18Ottawa428,041 7,010 71.06%812,129 0.6134
19Brampton37,195 2,398 50.23%433,806 0.2777
20Mississauga35,623 1,874 31.23%668,549 0.0875
H.T.I. - calculated as such = (average attendance * capacity %) / city population
* where capacity exceeds 95%, the capacity % figure is multiplied by 3.
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Ahhhhh yes, the Hockey Town Index (H.T.I.), I like it! lol

Thanks for digging out the rest of the population totals...I am simply going to rely on your research in that area, and put that figure into my spreadsheet.
GREAT! I've never used spreadsheets so I did it all the old fashioned way, but I know a dbase or spreadsheet is the best way to move these #'s around better.

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So, when attendance capacity exceeds 95%, a special factor will be used to calculate the H.T.I.

Basic H.T.I. calculated as follows:

(average attendance * capacity %) / city population

Bonus H.T.I. (where capacity > 95%), calculated as follows:

(average attendance * capacity % * 3) / city population
Sounds good, but where did the "3" come from?

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I think too, say, if the Sault was to attain a 95% capacity, I think, they would have a higher H.T.I. than London, which is probably fair, since their city is much smaller.
OH definitely. I have no problems with a small town of say 40,000 people where everyone goes to the games, being more of a hockey town than a city of say 250,000 that has more in attendance but less % of hte people going. That's where the HTI comes in!


If you can keep old records in the spreadsheet that would be great too so we can compare how we move up or down in the ranks throughout the year.
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