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Old 12-02-2009, 03:43 PM
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I also think Chris and Jay are getting bad advice but quitting on your team is a bad rap that may follow them where ever they end up
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:47 PM
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Who is this agent, Culley Curran? Is he new?

I know a lot of the Majors player have representation from organizations such as Top Shelf, Octagon, Newport, and even Bobby Orr! I have never heard of this guy.

I checked the list of Certified NHL agents at http://www.nhlpa.com/About-Us/Certified-Agents/ and he doesn't seem to be listed there.

If he isn't listed there, does he actually have pro hockey clients?

Maybe he is an agent within a bigger firm that has NHL Certified Agents within it?

I thought he may even be an ex-player, but, I can't find anything. Having followed pro and junior hockey for 40+ years now, if he was a player of any repute, I figure I would have heard of him.


Is he a local guy from St. Kitts?

If anybody knows anything about him, it would be interesting to hear.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:53 PM
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looks like he represents scott fletcher too...Interesting. Maybe he hates Niagara
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:58 PM
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looks like he represents scott fletcher too...Interesting. Maybe he hates Niagara
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Nevermind, I found it on his website.

It doesnt seem like he represents many guys only a few get the focus on his site.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:18 PM
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Nevermind, I found it on his website.

It doesnt seem like he represents many guys only a few get the focus on his site.

Ya and I did't see any NHL players listed on there.
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Old 12-02-2009, 05:55 PM
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Laura Leigh,

Can you give an update as to what the Coach had to say about the situation? I was dropping my children off at school and was unable to tune in.

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I listened this morning and he really didn't say anything that we don't already know. He basically said the team is making great strides and heading in the right direction and that Chris didn't want to be a part of it. He started saying what a great character Chris was and how this didn't change his opinion of him and then started talking out of the side of his mouth about Petro last year being asked if he wanted to move to a contender and him saying no. How he was disappointed that one players attitude was that he was going to right the ship and the others was to quit. That was kind of funny because he kept saying what a great character guy Chris is and that they'd take him back in a second if he changed his mind. Brown had a nice dig at Gilbert. Something about how some players tend to have a very skewed outlook on what it is that they bring to the table. Laura threw in a little, obviously I know Chris, being one of the stars the past few years and I've heard Gilbert's name, but I can't say I ever remember him on the ice. The male radio guy kept asking questions about the players and really had no clue about either of them, but kept talking about how great the product is. It didn't come across well, coming from someone that has probably never been to a game.

This was the first time I ever listened to this weekly segment with the coach, but if this is the typical show they either have to ask tougher questions or take questions from callers.
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Old 12-02-2009, 06:18 PM
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I listened this morning and he really didn't say anything that we don't already know. He basically said the team is making great strides and heading in the right direction and that Chris didn't want to be a part of it. He started saying what a great character Chris was and how this didn't change his opinion of him and then started talking out of the side of his mouth about Petro last year being asked if he wanted to move to a contender and him saying no. How he was disappointed that one players attitude was that he was going to right the ship and the others was to quit. That was kind of funny because he kept saying what a great character guy Chris is and that they'd take him back in a second if he changed his mind. Brown had a nice dig at Gilbert. Something about how some players tend to have a very skewed outlook on what it is that they bring to the table. Laura threw in a little, obviously I know Chris, being one of the stars the past few years and I've heard Gilbert's name, but I can't say I ever remember him on the ice. The male radio guy kept asking questions about the players and really had no clue about either of them, but kept talking about how great the product is. It didn't come across well, coming from someone that has probably never been to a game.

This was the first time I ever listened to this weekly segment with the coach, but if this is the typical show they either have to ask tougher questions or take questions from callers.
ya it's not a particularly hard hitting segment from the times i heard.
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This kid loves his hockey and maybe got caught up in emotions during a team meeting and made a bad choice... time will tell. He hasn't been traded yet??
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Ya and I did't see any NHL players listed on there.
Wow!

Looks like Mr. Curran is literally a man with nothing to lose.

He is playing with house money. Hopefully house money doesn't turn out to be these kids school packages.

Look at the somewhat infamous Brody Todd case. This seems to be more cut and dried than that.

I wonder if Desousa and Gilbert were put on notice of this potentially happening, which seems to be one of Kingston's biggest issue?

Also, the ugly thought keeps creeping into my mind that Jay Gilbert is being used as a pawn in this.


The Education of Brody Todd
Nov. 26, 2006. 08:49 AM

Brody Todd stood alone inside the big, empty rink on a cold November day in 2004. He had stopped by the Sudbury Community Arena to pick up a black garbage bag full of hockey equipment and a stick left outside a dressing room door by the Wolves, the city's Ontario Hockey League team.

The previous day, the late Wolves' coach and general manager Bert Templeton had kicked Todd off the team. Templeton was a tough, no-nonsense coach. Todd was a fun-loving player. They did not get along.

There were no formal goodbyes or best wishes from the team. Just the bag and stick and some gas money that Todd fingered in his pocket as he looked around the arena one last time.

Todd's dream of playing professional hockey was fading. He worried about losing his final year of high school and what that would do to his education and prospects.

A sense of uncertainty and helplessness overcame him. And he wondered: "Why?"


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When Brody Todd pulled out of Sudbury in his cherry red Mazda pick-up for the lonely 400-kilometre ride home to Thorold, it marked the end of another chapter of his education in junior hockey.

In a five-year OHL career, Todd would bounce around four teams, attend six high schools and one university and end up suing the OHL for $168,000 primarily over his schooling.

Like so many players, Todd's professional dreams did disappear. His backup plan, to attend university with OHL funding, did not go smoothly. He learned some hard lessons.

"The league always told us, they would take care of our education costs," Todd recalls. "I sure found out different. My experience taught me that players need to understand what is exactly in their contracts and not be afraid to ask questions."

Todd's OHL instruction began when the Kingston Frontenacs selected him in the second round of the annual midget draft in 2000. A 6-foot-2, 200-pound left-winger, Todd had attracted scouts because of his size, toughness and industriousness.

He could have played at a lower level of junior hockey until he was eligible for a U.S. college scholarship. But the OHL's success in developing National Hockey League players convinced him that it was the place to play.

The eager 16-year-old signed a standard player contract with the Frontenacs that paid him $50 a week for his "exclusive services." The team covered his lodging, food and school expenses.

Among other things, the contract contained an "education package" under which Todd would receive $7,000 annually for four years for post-secondary schooling. The package's terms are similar for most players but dollar amounts vary.

He also had a provision that prohibited the team from trading him without his consent.

Early in his second season, Todd became disillusioned over a lack of playing time and progression in Kingston. After one loss, an angry coach Larry Mavety told players that if anyone didn't want to play for the Frontenacs, they should leave. Todd packed his bags and drove home the next day.

Through his agent, lawyer Todd Christie, Todd waived his no-trade clause. A few weeks later, Mavety dealt him to Sudbury where he finished the season. But during the summer, Christie received a surprise letter from his old team. Mavety wrote that Todd had left the Frontenacs voluntarily and, as a consequence, the player violated his contract and forfeited "all benefits."

Christie contacted the OHL and argued that Todd had not left voluntarily or breached his contract, saying the team had never given the player proper notice of a violation which would affect his benefits. Despite phone calls, registered letters and faxes, the league never responded with its position, according to Christie.

Christie felt strongly that Todd was on solid legal ground even though the issue remained unresolved. The lawyer also didn't believe the league would allow any of its member clubs to leave a player without education assistance.

The package has become an integral selling point for the OHL, a way to attract players considering U.S. colleges that offer scholarships. In the fall of 2002, Todd rejoined the Wolves and entered Grade 13. Besides hockey and school, he enjoyed dating and parties.

Templeton was not amused and eventually sent him home.

"I'm worried about my (high) school year," Todd told his parents on the phone.

After waiting in Thorold for more than a month corresponding regularly with teachers in Sudbury to complete the school year the Wolves sent him to the Ottawa 67's.

Todd fit in with the 67's and his scoring improved marginally during the next two years. He returned as a 20-year-old overager for the 2004-05 season.

At the same time, Todd began focusing on his education, realizing his chances for a pro career were slim. He graduated from high school and enrolled in two courses at Carleton University in the fall of 2004. But his schooling was disrupted once again with a mid-season trade to the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds.

Todd was frustrated, but within a few days he reported to his fourth team, dropping out of the two university courses.

His OHL career ended quietly that spring with 46 goals and 93 points in 295 games. Not surprisingly, Todd didn't attract any pro offers and, in the fall of last year, he enrolled at Acadia University in Wolfville, N.S.

Finally, the dispute over who should pay for the education of Brody Todd came to a head.

The school's registrar sent an invoice to the Frontenacs, but didn't receive any money. Christie complained to the OHL.

He said the league sent him the original 2002 Mavety letter saying that Todd's benefits had been wiped out. The agent responded by challenging it.

The OHL's position appeared at odds with what it was communicating publicly. An OHL promotional booklet for parents and prospects listed Todd playing university hockey on league scholarships.

The reality was quite different. With enrolment for his second year hanging in the balance, Todd reluctantly paid the overdue tuition fees.

In early September, after more invoices to Kingston and no responses, Todd's father wrote a final letter imploring the OHL to honour the commitment.

There was still no response. A few weeks later, Christie filed a lawsuit against the OHL, commissioner Dave Branch and the Frontenacs. Todd alleged the team reneged on the original education package and other commitments. The claim also challenged the legality of the 2000 OHL draft because it restricted Todd's ability to play and negotiate with the team of his choice. Furthermore, he charged the teams paid him below Ontario's minimum wage of $6.80 an hour, short-changing him about $10,000 over his career.

Christie said he included the latter two allegations to "really get the league's attention."

Within four days, the university received a $7,000 cheque from the Frontenacs. And last week, the league and Christie negotiated an out-of-court settlement. Both sides agreed the terms would remain confidential.

"Brody is very satisfied," Christie said.

Mavety referred inquiries to the league.

Branch wouldn't talk specifically about Todd but confirmed the OHL's executive committee decided this week to look at the league's education scholarship program as a result of the case.

"The important thing is that we learn from this experience."


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Todd, now 22, is in his second year at Acadia, concentrating on English and history.

"I was disgusted how they held this (education package) back from me after playing in the league for five years," Todd says. "If I hadn't pushed and sued, I likely would have ended up with nothing."
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:47 PM
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i would be pissed if i was desousa.. insam who cant score, hit or play any d seems to log first or second line ice time..how has he not been benched? there are 4 or 5 guys on this team that i would make an example of before chris.. maybe desousa is quitting or maybe he knows this team cant go further with this bad coaching
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