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Old 12-03-2021, 04:24 PM
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Nothing like a major bloodletting when it comes to lighting a fire under the remaining players.

Nice to see the clearing of space for the younger and upcoming players.
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Old 12-03-2021, 04:42 PM
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Itís unfortunate but also the reality of rebuilds in the OHL. 01 Mason Howard, 01 AJ Cook, 02 Jonah De Simone, 02 Ethan Sims and 02 Cameron Snow no longer fit into the IceDogsí long term plans - all these older players could help the IceDogs win a few more games, but at the expense of making the 04s and 05s healthy scratches is counter productive in a rebuild. Hopefully the players departed amicably and have no hard feelings by the teamís decision to change direction this year.
Iíd like to see the IceDogs add another OA forward and assign Joey Costanzo to a JrB team if possible.
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Nothing like a major bloodletting when it comes to lighting a fire under the remaining players.

Nice to see the clearing of space for the younger and upcoming players.
Ya have to wonder if that is what happened in the last 2 games.
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Old 12-03-2021, 09:52 PM
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It’s unfortunate but also the reality of rebuilds in the OHL. 01 Mason Howard, 01 AJ Cook, 02 Jonah De Simone, 02 Ethan Sims and 02 Cameron Snow no longer fit into the IceDogs’ long term plans - all these older players could help the IceDogs win a few more games, but at the expense of making the 04s and 05s healthy scratches is counter productive in a rebuild. Hopefully the players departed amicably and have no hard feelings by the team’s decision to change direction this year.
I’d like to see the IceDogs add another OA forward and assign Joey Costanzo to a JrB team if possible.
I think this validates the point I have been trying to make - that for the most part our older players are too weak. Cook, Howard, Sims and Snow all cleared waivers without any interest from other teams. The only player that had any interest from other teams was De Simone, who was claimed by a QMJHL team and oddly was the first player released by the IceDogs.

The team’s poor record is not all the fault of Billy. Joey has also played a part in this.

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Old 12-03-2021, 10:08 PM
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Another point I would add is the IceDogs now only have 7 skaters that remain from the 2019-2020 team. That was suppose to be the first year of our rebuild. But in reality it wasn’t as we didn’t have enough young talent to even begin a rebuild. Only having 2 picks in the first 5 rounds of the 2019 OHL draft wasn’t enough.

Guelph won the OHL title in the 2018-2019 season, the same season as the Icedogs went for it. But Guelph managed to have at least one pick in every round of the 2019 OHL draft while we had missing picks. Why? Guelph had an experienced GM and we had a young inexperienced GM. So now this season Guelph is currently in second place in the Western Conference while the Icedogs are in last place, releasing our older players to give more ice time to our younger players. In reality, we are in year one of our rebuild while Guelph is peaking.

The purpose of my post is not to be critical of Joey. He seems to be doing a better job now but I hate when fans try to put the team’s bad record all on Billy.

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Old 12-04-2021, 12:39 AM
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The team’s poor record is not all the fault of Billy. Joey has also played a part in this.
You forget to mention that in 2016 Marty left the draft cupboard completely stripped for the next 5 draft years. JB used what little was left to assemble a star-studded team in 2018-2019. Then fully stocked the cupboard again post 2019. If the early returns on the 04s and 05s is any indication, 23-24, with all the 06 and 07 picks banked, is the target year.

This team is young but if the IceDogs play as they did early in the year and the last two games, then competitive .500 hockey is a reasonable expectation?


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You forget to mention that in 2016 Marty left the draft cupboard completely stripped for the next 5 draft years. JB used what little was left to assemble a star-studded team in 2018-2019. Then fully stocked the cupboard again post 2019. If the early returns on the 04s and 05s is any indication, 23-24, with all the 06 and 07 picks banked, is the target year.

This team is young but if the IceDogs play as they did early in the year and the last two games, then competitive .500 hockey is a reasonable expectation?


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Blacksox you must be getting tired of constantly saying this over and over again?
A few of these fans just don't read it or quickly forget facts!!
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IN 2016, MARTY LEFT OUR DRAFT CUPBOARD STRIPPED FOR THE NEXT FIVE DRAFT YEARS!!
DESPITE THIS, JB ASSEMBLED A STAR STUDDED TEAM IN 2018-19
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You forget to mention that in 2016 Marty left the draft cupboard completely stripped for the next 5 draft years. JB used what little was left to assemble a star-studded team in 2018-2019. Then fully stocked the cupboard again post 2019. If the early returns on the 04s and 05s is any indication, 23-24, with all the 06 and 07 picks banked, is the target year.

This team is young but if the IceDogs play as they did early in the year and the last two games, then competitive .500 hockey is a reasonable expectation?


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Old 12-05-2021, 11:39 PM
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Blacksox you must be getting tired of constantly saying this over and over again?
A few of these fans just don't read it or quickly forget facts!!
I'll repeat it one more time in caps::

IN 2016, MARTY LEFT OUR DRAFT CUPBOARD STRIPPED FOR THE NEXT FIVE DRAFT YEARS!!
DESPITE THIS, JB ASSEMBLED A STAR STUDDED TEAM IN 2018-19
What you are saying is completely misleading.

1) After Marty took the IceDogs to the league championship in 2015-2016, the IceDogs were able to completely restore their draft selections by next season's trade deadline.

See this article dated Jan 11, 2017: https://www.toronto.com/sports-story...ay-of-trading/. Here is a quote from Joey - “It was extremely important for our group to not only add draft selections, but to add as many possible in the next four seasons where prior to this season our draft cupboard was completely empty...To be able to add five second-round picks, and two thirds in the past two days, has completely restored our draft selections."

Joey had a full selection of draft picks to assemble the 2018-2019 team!

2) Joey traded more away in the 2018-2019 season than Marty traded away in the 2015-2016 season.

Marty traded away 13 draft picks, 2 conditional picks and 5 players. However he only traded away one player who was 16 or 17 years old which was 8th round selection Krassey. (see https://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/sp...s-paydirt.html) This allowed the IceDogs to still have a future as they had a competitive rebuild season and peaked just 3 seasons later.

Joey traded away a whopping 18 draft picks, 2 conditional picks and 4 players. However, of those 4 players, 3 of them were 16 or 17 years old and all 3 were drafted in the first 3 rounds (Moore, Constantinou and Martin). So Joey traded away both more draft picks and more young players. This is why the IceDogs were so uncompetitive in their first season rebuild and are still rebuilding 3 seasons later.

Please stop blaming Marty for the IceDog's roster woes. This is on Joey, who was too overly aggressive in building the 2018-2019 team. But like I said, Joey does seem to be improving and I think the team is now headed in the right direction.

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Joey traded away a whopping 18 draft picks, 2 conditional picks and 4 players. However, of those 4 players, 3 of them were 16 or 17 years old and all 3 were drafted in the first 3 rounds (Moore, Constantinou and Martin).

Please stop blaming Marty for the IceDog's roster woes.

Read my post carefully, I never blamed Marty - just pointing out that in your post you convienently overlooked the fact that Marty’s last run at a championship was expensive and we started 2016-2017 with a huge deficit - and as you and I have now pointed out Joey has done a great job re-stocking our draft picks (twice now).

Please dig a little deeper before you post something that does little to prove your point. Of the 18 draft picks, 4 of them were insignificant picks in the 5th,7th,11th,13th and the 2 conditionals were 5th – one of them got the IceDogs Ivan Lodnia for two seasons.

ALSO, Jacob Paquette was immediately flipped after the 2019 playoffs to reacquire 3 of those high picks back: 2nd; 3rd, 3rd (+ 5th). So to recap: Of those 18 - the IceDogs got three back a few months later and 4 of them were later round picks. That brings the “true” cost of that run to 11 picks.

Lastly, of the three 16-17 year olds traded by Joey, only 1 (Moore) is still playing in the OHL.



Here is Joey Burke complete resume, a few mistakes (every GM has them), but along with drafting some outstanding players, he’s recruited impressive imports and done a real nice job as a buyer and seller.

GM: Joey Burke
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Nov. 11, 2017
Traded: Graham Knott, rights to prospect Trent Frederic, and a 7th round pick.
For: 2nd - 2021, 3rd - 2017, 3rd - 2019, 4th - 2018 and two conditional picks: 3rd - 2021, 3rd - 2022.

Jan. 9, 2017
Traded: Chris Paquette
For: Nate McDonald, 2nd - 2017, 2nd - 2018, 2nd - 2021, 2nd - 2020 and 3rd - 2022

Jan. 9, 2017
Traded: 11th - 2017.
IceDogs acquired: Justin Brack

Jan. 10, 2017
Traded: Hayden Davis
For: Kirill Maksimov, 3rd - 2018, and a 2nd - 2019.

2017 OHL Priority Draft (Notable Selections)
Phil Tomasino
Billy Constantino
Christian Sbaraglia
Mason Howard

Aug. 16, 2017
Traded: 2nd – 2020, 3rd - 2018
IceDogs acquired: Elijah Roberts

Nov. 17, 2017
Traded: 4th - 2020
IceDogs acquired: Adrian Carbonara

Jan. 9, 2017
Traded: 2nd – 2018, 3rd – 2022, 2nd – 2024, 2nd – 2025
IceDogs acquired: Sam Miletic and 3rd 2018

2018 OHL Priority Draft (Notable Selections)
Lleyton Moore
Stephen Halliday
Jake Uberti
Jonah DeSimone
Tucker Tynan

2018 IMPORT DRAFT
Kyen Sopa
Daniel Bukac

August 7, 2018
Traded: Daniel Singer and a conditional 5th - 2019
IceDogs acquired: Ivan Lodnia

August 27, 2018
Traded: Justin McPherson
IceDogs acquired: 3rd – 2020, 3rd – 2022 and a conditional 5th - 2023.

Oct. 2nd, 2018
Traded: Willy Lochead
IceDogs acquired: 3rd Round 2024

October 2018 SIGNED
G – CHRISTIAN SBARAGLIA

Nov. 20, 2018
Traded: Billy Constantinou, Ian Martin, 2nd (2019, 2021, 2022, 2023), 3rd (2020, 2022, 2024), 5th,7th, 11th,13th
IceDogs acquired: Jason Robertson and Jacob Paquette

Nov. 27, 2018
Traded: Liam Ham
IceDogs acquired: 2nd – 2020, 2nd – 2022 and 3rd – 2024

December 2018 SIGNED
F – ETHAN SIMS

Dec. 4, 2018
Traded: Colton Incze
IceDogs acquired: 4th – 2022

Jan. 8, 2019
Traded: Lleyton Moore, 2nd – (2020, 2021, 2022) and 3rd (2022, 2023, 2024)
IceDogs acquired: Jack Studnicka and Matt Brassard.

Jan 10, 2019
Traded: 4th – 2022 and a conditional 5th – 2023
IceDogs acquired: Jake McGrath

April 4, 2019
Traded: 3rd – (2020, 2024) and 4th (2019)
IceDogs acquired: Landon Cato (3rd-2019)

2019 OHL Priority Draft (Notable Selections)
RD - Isaac Enright (SIGNED)
RD - Landon Cato (SIGNED)
GK - Josh Rosenzweig (SIGNED)
RW - Anthony Agostinelli (SIGNED)

May 2019 Signings
F – LUCAS THERIAULT
F – CAMERON SNOW

2019 IMPORT DRAFT
LD - Giancarlo Chanton (SIGNED)

June 28, 2019
Traded: NIAG 15th 2023* (conditional)
IceDogs acquired: Rights to F - Christian Stevens

August 6, 2019
Traded: OA Matt Phillips
IceDogs acquired: F - Jackson Doherty and OS 6th 2021

August 30, 2019
Traded: 10th round pick 2020 to Kitchener
IceDogs acquired: D - Dakota Betts

September 1, 2019
A.Agostinelli, D. Betts and R. Campbell commit to IceDogs
https://ontariohockeyleague.com/arti...mit-to-icedogs

September 12, 2019
Traded: OA Jacob Paquette
IceDogs acquired: 2020 3rd, 2021 2nd, 3rd, and 5th.

September 16, 2019
Traded: OA Bradey Johnson
IceDogs acquired: 2022 15th rd

November 1, 2019
Traded: OA Drew Hunter
IceDogs acquired: 2021 4th (Erie)

Nov 6, 2019
Traded: 13th rd 2021
IceDogs acquired: Adrian Beraldo

Jan 6, 2020
Traded: Kyen Sopa, 2022 13th
IceDogs acquired: 2022 2nd, 2023 3rd, 2022 8th

Jan 8, 2020
Traded: 5th 2022
IceDogs acquired: G Andrew McLean

Jan 9, 2020
Traded: Phil Tomasino
IceDogs acquired: D.Gucciardi, 2020 2nd, 2021 2nd, 2022 4th, 2023 2nd, 2023 2nd, 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd, 2024 3rd, 2024 4th.

Jan 9, 2020
Traded: Akil Thomas
IceDogs acquired: C. Butler, 2020 2nd, 2022 2nd, 2022 3rd, 2024 4th

Jan 10, 2020
Traded: Christian Stevens, 2023 3rd
IceDogs acquired: Cameron Peters

2020 OHL Priority Draft (Notable Selections)
F - Pano Fimis (SIGNED)
D - Alec Leonard (SIGNED)
F - Brice Cooke (SIGNED)
F - Dylan Roobroeck (SIGNED)
F - Ryan Struthers (SIGNED)
F - Zac Wisdom
F - Greg Spitznagel

2020 U-18 Priority Draft
G - Jacob Osborne

2020 IMPORT DRAFT
LW - Daniil Gushchin (SIGNED)
July 13, 2020

August 14, 2020
Traded: 3rd 2024, Conditional 6th 2021
IceDogs acquired: G - Daniel Murhphy (Erie Otters)

Sept. 17, 2020
Traded: Conditional 15th 2022
IceDogs acquired: F - Brady Hinz (Peterborough Petes)

Jan. 7, 2021
Traded: Waiver claim 03 Nikita Tiatinkin to Owen Sound
IceDogs acquired: 15 rd pick that becomes a 7th round pick if certain performance markers are reached.

2021 OHL Priority Draft (Notable Selections)
F - Juan Copeland (SIGNED)
G – Joey Costanzo (SIGNED)
F – Declan Waddick (SIGNED)
D – Andrew Wysick (SIGNED)
F – Connor Haynes
D – Jax Wismer
F – Zach Schulz
F – Giacomo Martino

2021 IMPORT DRAFT
D – Rodwin Dionicio (SIGNED)
JULY 30, 2021

September 10, 2021
Traded: Petes 2nd 2022; Nia 3rd 2022; Nia 4th 2022; Petes 4th 2024
IceDogs acquired: F – Aidan Castle (Oshawa Generals)



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