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Saginaw appears to be a difficult trading partner.

First concern: Lack a surplus of picks (2nds and 3rds) - cupboard is barren. 2021 - nothing; 2022 – 2nd; 2023 – 2nd; 2024 – 2nd; NO 3rds and that is it.

Second concern: Currently, only 11 returning players - and not counting Adam Fantilli yet, probably 3 drafted positional players + 3 OAs (from a collection of 9 – realistically only 5)

Saginaw likely retains OAs: DJ King, C B Jenkins, C D.Antropov
Saginaw trades OAs: LW Danny Katic (6.04 / 215) 62GP-13G-36Pts and RW Jake Goldowski (6.03 / 205) 62GP-14G-33Pts.

Joey said, “We can expect a few trades between us and Saginaw.” Regardless, of the situation, the IceDogs have to play hard ball on this one. Saginaw are not trading for Luca here, they are trading for Adam and Luca.

Also, if they are looking at a “few” trades, one of those monstrous OAs would be nice to have for a year.

How this plays out will be interesting.

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Old 04-06-2020, 09:19 AM
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I am curious. Everyone seems to think Adam Fantilli will go to Saginaw if Niagara will trade Saginaw his brother. If that was the case why didn't Niagara draft Fantilli themselves. Additionally why do they not trade for Adam as they have lots of upcoming picks that Saginaw could really use
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I am curious. Everyone seems to think Adam Fantilli will go to Saginaw if Niagara will trade Saginaw his brother. If that was the case why didn't Niagara draft Fantilli themselves. Additionally why do they not trade for Adam as they have lots of upcoming picks that Saginaw could really use
Well, Joey Burke never did specify which way this trade was going . Saginaw can defer their 1st round pick to 2021 - and they really do need draft picks. Although, I highly doubt that it was Saginaw asking the IceDogs if they are interested in acquiring Adam, but imagine if the IceDogs bring in both Pano Fimis and Adam Fantilli.
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I am curious. Everyone seems to think Adam Fantilli will go to Saginaw if Niagara will trade Saginaw his brother. If that was the case why didn't Niagara draft Fantilli themselves. Additionally why do they not trade for Adam as they have lots of upcoming picks that Saginaw could really use
Fantilli was unlikely to come to Niagara, just as he's unlikely to go to Saginaw. People are just speculating that IF he opts for Saginaw, there will be a request that the Spirit try to acquire his brother.

My guess is that we see him shipped off to London or Kitchener for next season
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Saginaw appears to be a difficult trading partner.

First concern: Lack a surplus of picks (2nds and 3rds) - cupboard is barren. 2021 - nothing; 2022 – 2nd; 2023 – 2nd; 2024 – 2nd; NO 3rds and that is it.

Second concern: Currently, only 11 returning players - and not counting Adam Fantilli yet, probably 3 drafted positional players + 3 OAs (from a collection of 9 – realistically only 5)

Saginaw likely retains OAs: DJ King, C B Jenkins, C D.Antropov
Saginaw trades OAs: LW Danny Katic (6.04 / 215) 62GP-13G-36Pts and RW Jake Goldowski (6.03 / 205) 62GP-14G-33Pts.

Joey said, “We can expect a few trades between us and Saginaw.” Regardless, of the situation, the IceDogs have to play hard ball on this one. Saginaw are not trading for Luca here, they are trading for Adam and Luca.

Also, if they are looking at a “few” trades, one of those monstrous OAs would be nice to have for a year.

How this plays out will be interesting.

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A few trades would more lead me to believe it's Adam moving and not Luca. Luca can be traded for anything and there would be no reason to make more than 1 trade. If the Dogs wanted to trade players and picks for Adam it would require more than one trade as Adam cannot be traded for players. I can't see it happening but you never know.
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Fantilli was unlikely to come to Niagara, just as he's unlikely to go to Saginaw. People are just speculating that IF he opts for Saginaw, there will be a request that the Spirit try to acquire his brother.

My guess is that we see him shipped off to London or Kitchener for next season
Only thing I would add to that. If Saginaw is trying to acquire Luca, they either have plans for them to play in Saginaw for this year or trade them as a package. It would make little sense for Luca to pass up his scholarship at the University of Michigan to play here next year, with only 2 years of OHL eligibility left. A bit of a short ride for the older brother, to most likely find himself at a dead end street.
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Interesting discussion going both ways

I can?t imagine the Dogs would trade for Adam since they had the opportunity to draft him anyways

IMO if they trade for him that would be ridiculously stupid and a waste of assets

Let?s not make a Lochead 2.0 deal here.

If the deal isn?t fair value then don?t trade him. Don?t look like a patsy again to appease the player. It makes our organization look very weak.

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Saginaw appears to be a difficult trading partner.

First concern: Lack a surplus of picks (2nds and 3rds) - cupboard is barren. 2021 - nothing; 2022 – 2nd; 2023 – 2nd; 2024 – 2nd; NO 3rds and that is it.

Second concern: Currently, only 11 returning players - and not counting Adam Fantilli yet, probably 3 drafted positional players + 3 OAs (from a collection of 9 – realistically only 5)

Saginaw likely retains OAs: DJ King, C B Jenkins, C D.Antropov
Saginaw trades OAs: LW Danny Katic (6.04 / 215) 62GP-13G-36Pts and RW Jake Goldowski (6.03 / 205) 62GP-14G-33Pts.

Joey said, “We can expect a few trades between us and Saginaw.” Regardless, of the situation, the IceDogs have to play hard ball on this one. Saginaw are not trading for Luca here, they are trading for Adam and Luca.

Also, if they are looking at a “few” trades, one of those monstrous OAs would be nice to have for a year.

How this plays out will be interesting.

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Again you're missing the piece Saginaw does have. A goaltender. Tristan Lennox. They drafted two goaltenders on Sunday.
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Interesting discussion going both ways

I can?t imagine the Dogs would trade for Adam since they had the opportunity to draft him anyways

IMO if they trade for him that would be ridiculously stupid and a waste of assets

Let?s not make a Lochead 2.0 deal here.

If the deal isn?t fair value then don?t trade him. Don?t look like a patsy again to appease the player. It makes our organization look very weak.

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With Saginaw getting on the phone so quickly after the draft tell us that Luca is required for Adam to come to the OHL this year – and since the likelihood of Luca forgoing his scholarship next year does not make sense, this has become a race against the clock - and for the moment the IceDogs hold the trump card – and ABSOLUTELY have to hold out for an unfair return for Luca.

As things are at the moment, Luca and Adam can play together with one of the better USHL programs (Chicago Steel) – and with plans for Adam to fast track through high school this year, they can continue to play together at the University of Michigan in 2021-2022.

All the pressure is on Saginaw - tighten the rope, Joey!
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Interesting discussion going both ways

I can?t imagine the Dogs would trade for Adam since they had the opportunity to draft him anyways

IMO if they trade for him that would be ridiculously stupid and a waste of assets

Let?s not make a Lochead 2.0 deal here.

If the deal isn?t fair value then don?t trade him. Don?t look like a patsy again to appease the player. It makes our organization look very weak.

I know these are kids bla bla bla .... but let?s not kid ourselves ... this is also a business ...


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What’s a “fair deal” for a player that might be a 5-6 D on a team
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