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Old 04-22-2019, 11:15 AM
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With the assets available to the IceDogs next year, a planned rebuild around the 03 (and 04) age group – with the 02 age group as the OAs, makes the most sense since they have their 2020 (04s) 1st round pick and can acquire additional picks for next year’s draft during this coming season.

This IceDogs rebuild has two golden tickets – that they did not have last time: Thomas and Tomasino can be traded for a pair of elite 03s – and that will give the IceDogs a solid core of 03s to go along with those players they drafted this year.

In this plan, Thomas has to be traded this season, while Tomasino could actually be traded the following year. With the extra year of OHL experience, growth and development, Tomasino will be the coveted prize targeted by every "go for it" team as that one player who can put them over the top, more so than he would be able to next year.

There will be an extra incentive for teams to acquire Tomasino the following year since the OHL is hosting the Memorial Cup - a lot of teams are going to be taking a run at that extra spot in the Mem-Cup. A huge buyer market for Tomasino awaits the IceDogs in two years.

Also, Junior hockey is entertainment for the fans but is also very much business for the owners – and the IceDogs will need one of hockey brightest stars to market and sell tickets before they turn over the team to the 03s and 04s.

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Rumour has it.... the Tomasino deal is already in place.
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Old 04-22-2019, 12:03 PM
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You know I keep hearing how Niagara is some of the best most knowledgeable fans if that’s the case your (they’ll need someone to sell the games shouldn’t be the case IMO) if the fans are the “best” they’ll show up no matter who’s on the team and if they are some of the most “knowledgeable” they understand why they wouldn’t have a star to build around
In this situation, OHL hosting the Mem-Cup in 2021, it would be in the IceDogs best interest to hold onto an asset that will be the most highly sought after player by OHL teams, in particular the host. There will be in a huge bidding war to acquire a game changer like Tomasino. Hang on to the very best trading chip you have when the demand for it will be the highest 2020-2021 season.
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Old 04-22-2019, 12:05 PM
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Rumour has it.... the Tomasino deal is already in place.
I have it from a fairly reliable source that there is zero truth to that rumour.
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In this situation, OHL hosting the Mem-Cup in 2021, it would be in the IceDogs best interest to hold onto an asset that will be the most highly sought after player by OHL teams, in particular the host. There will be in a huge bidding war to acquire a game changer like Tomasino. Hang on to the very best trading chip you have when the demand for it will be the highest 2020-2021 season.
I don’t disagree with you when it comes to when’s the best time to trade him I was just saying if this fan base is as good as people say they don’t need “a guy” to sell tickets they’ll show up anyway
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With the assets available to the IceDogs next year, a planned rebuild around the 03 (and 04) age group – with the 02 age group as the OAs, makes the most sense since they have their 2020 (04s) 1st round pick and can acquire additional picks for next year’s draft during this coming season.



This IceDogs rebuild has two golden tickets – that they did not have last time: Thomas and Tomasino can be traded for a pair of elite 03s – and that will give the IceDogs a solid core of 03s to go along with those players they drafted this year.



In this plan, Thomas has to be traded this season, while Tomasino could actually be traded the following year. With the extra year of OHL experience, growth and development, Tomasino will be the coveted prize targeted by every "go for it" team as that one player who can put them over the top, more so than he would be able to next year.



There will be an extra incentive for teams to acquire Tomasino the following year since the OHL is hosting the Memorial Cup - a lot of teams are going to be taking a run at that extra spot in the Mem-Cup. A huge buyer market for Tomasino awaits the IceDogs in two years.



Also, Junior hockey is entertainment for the fans but is also very much business for the owners – and the IceDogs will need one of hockey brightest stars to market and sell tickets before they turn over the team to the 03s and 04s.



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I agree with you

It makes more sense to trade Tomasino the following season .... he’s at least an NHL second round pick and will be a draw for the fans to come watch the dreadful team next year

Teams can only trade so many picks due to the new rules in place. I can’t imagine the dogs will get that much more for tomasino if they trade him in the coming season when the acquiring team gets him for two seasons. The reason being they can’t spend all of their bullets acquiring one player and most go for it teams won’t need that player the following season

So I would be surprised if FF is correct on this one.

God help us if Tomasino is headed to Oshawa as part of the Studnicka deal on a *wink wink* *nudge nudge* deal

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Old 04-22-2019, 10:23 PM
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It makes more sense to trade Tomasino the following season .... he’s at least an NHL second round pick and will be a draw for the fans to come watch the dreadful team next year

Teams can only trade so many picks due to the new rules in place. I can’t imagine the dogs will get that much more for tomasino if they trade him in the coming season when the acquiring team gets him for two seasons. The reason being they can’t spend all of their bullets acquiring one player and most go for it teams won’t need that player the following season

So I would be surprised if FF is correct on this one.

God help us if Tomasino is headed to Oshawa as part of the Studnicka deal on a *wink wink* *nudge nudge* deal

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You’re counting on them doing something that makes sense?

For the record, I agree. Next years deadline is when I would trade Tomasino. Just relaying what I’ve read/heard.

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In this situation, OHL hosting the Mem-Cup in 2021, it would be in the IceDogs best interest to hold onto an asset that will be the most highly sought after player by OHL teams, in particular the host. There will be in a huge bidding war to acquire a game changer like Tomasino. Hang on to the very best trading chip you have when the demand for it will be the highest 2020-2021 season.
Normally I would agree but the IceDogs are in a unique situation. They are missing 6 second round picks and 4 third round picks. Next draft, they are missing their second, third and fourth round picks.

They are also empty of young high end talent as they do not have any players from the first 3 rounds of last year’s draft. This past draft, they only had 2 picks in the first 4 rounds.

So what the Dogs need is to trade to recoup draft picks but also trade for your high end talent. Trading Tomasino this coming season allows them to get back numerous 2nd and 3rd round picks as well as hopefully obtaining the other teams first round picked player in the past draft.

If you want to keep Tomisano, then who else do you trade to get back the 2nd and 3rd round picks that we are missing?
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Normally I would agree but the IceDogs are in a unique situation. They are missing 6 second round picks and 4 third round picks. Next draft, they are missing their second, third and fourth round picks.

They are also empty of young high end talent as they do not have any players from the first 3 rounds of last year’s draft. This past draft, they only had 2 picks in the first 4 rounds.

So what the Dogs need is to trade to recoup draft picks but also trade for your high end talent. Trading Tomasino this coming season allows them to get back numerous 2nd and 3rd round picks as well as hopefully obtaining the other teams first round picked player in the past draft.

If you want to keep Tomisano, then who else do you trade to get back the 2nd and 3rd round picks that we are missing?
If they keep tomasino then you trade Thomas Paquette Roberts (and whoever else you can think of) they might not get all those seconds and thirds back but Thomas and Paquette can definitely get you picks back it’s not like tomasino is our only tradeable player

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If they keep tomasino then you trade Thomas Paquette Roberts (and whoever else you can think of) they might not get all those seconds and thirds back but Thomas and Paquette can definitely get you picks back it’s not like tomasino is our only tradeable player
So who are our tradeable players. Paquette is drafted by Nashville and may not even return to the OHL. You could try to trade Roberts and Hunter but do you want a season where we only have one experienced defenceman on the backend. I am hoping one of the NHL drafted 19 year olds return for an OA season but I don’t think the chances are in our favour.
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So who are our tradeable players. Paquette is drafted by Nashville and may not even return to the OHL. You could try to trade Roberts and Hunter but do you want a season where we only have one experienced defenceman on the backend. I am hoping one of the NHL drafted 19 year olds return for an OA season but I don’t think the chances are in our favour.
I don’t know who the tradeable players are yet cause I don’t know who’s coming back but I’m sure they’ll have a few more than expected ask me after camp and I’ll tell you who I think the tradeable guys are. Would I want just one experienced guy on the back end no but if it’s a full blown rebuild why the heck not plus you could get one back in one of the trades just younger
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